Religion, and what I feel about it.

igame, you're just making pointless arguments. God damns to Hell those that don't believe in Him and rewards those that do. Based on that, one can logically assume that He desires and needs love and worship.

And don't tell me that God is beyond logic, because that's just a weak argument.

Why is that a weak argument? God is God. It is what it is. Just because you can't find ways to poke at it doesn't make it's a weak argument. You have to debate it on the standards of what God is and that happens to be something we can't fully comprehend.

To be honest, I have yet to see any theory of the beginning of the universe and the creation of life that makes any sense, what so ever. Religion or not.

Just gonna leave this here....

Teckno wrote:

Why is that a weak argument? God is God. It is what it is. Just because you can't find ways to poke at it doesn't make it's a weak argument. You have to debate it on the standards of what God is and that happens to be something we can't fully comprehend.

"God is mysterious" is a cop-out argument when all arguments for the existence and greatness of God have been countered. It's like saying, "Logically, the chance of the God of the holy books existing is unlikely, and when you think about it, he's kind of an asshole, but I'm sure I just don't understand it."

I'll use an example argument made by TheAmazingAtheist. I say, "I am my own father." You say, "That's impossible," because it is. Am I really allowed to say, "I am beyond the laws of the universe and human comprehension" and have that as a valid argument? Yeah, I didn't think so.

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

Why is that a weak argument? God is God. It is what it is. Just because you can't find ways to poke at it doesn't make it's a weak argument. You have to debate it on the standards of what God is and that happens to be something we can't fully comprehend.

"God is mysterious" is a cop-out argument when all arguments for the existence and greatness of God have been countered. It's like saying, "Logically, the chance of the God of the holy books existing is unlikely, and when you think about it, he's kind of an asshole, but I'm sure I just don't understand it."

I'll use an example argument made by TheAmazingAtheist. I say, "I am my own father." You say, "That's impossible," because it is. Am I really allowed to say, "I am beyond the laws of the universe and human comprehension" and have that as a valid argument? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Then any debating is invalid because atheist can't except God in what it is supposed to be. You can't just take qualities away because it doesn't fit your own agenda. Yea you can blatantly say it's a cop out, but why even argue then? Why would I debate with someone about water if they took a quality away from it? That would never work. Think about it for a moment, if you did believe God existed, do you think you would be able to totally explain him? Absolutely not.

Teckno wrote:

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

Why is that a weak argument? God is God. It is what it is. Just because you can't find ways to poke at it doesn't make it's a weak argument. You have to debate it on the standards of what God is and that happens to be something we can't fully comprehend.

"God is mysterious" is a cop-out argument when all arguments for the existence and greatness of God have been countered. It's like saying, "Logically, the chance of the God of the holy books existing is unlikely, and when you think about it, he's kind of an asshole, but I'm sure I just don't understand it."

I'll use an example argument made by TheAmazingAtheist. I say, "I am my own father." You say, "That's impossible," because it is. Am I really allowed to say, "I am beyond the laws of the universe and human comprehension" and have that as a valid argument? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Then any debating is invalid because atheist can't except God in what it is supposed to be. You can't just take qualities away because it doesn't fit your own agenda. Yea you can blatantly say it's a cop out, but why even argue then? Why would I debate with someone about water if they took a quality away from it? That would never work. Think about it for a moment, if you did believe God existed, do you think you would be able to totally explain him? Absolutely not.

Right. Debating is pointless because where I choose to use logic and reason, you have developed a sort of reusable cop-out in creating something that defies the laws of the universe of its own creation.

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

Why is that a weak argument? God is God. It is what it is. Just because you can't find ways to poke at it doesn't make it's a weak argument. You have to debate it on the standards of what God is and that happens to be something we can't fully comprehend.

"God is mysterious" is a cop-out argument when all arguments for the existence and greatness of God have been countered. It's like saying, "Logically, the chance of the God of the holy books existing is unlikely, and when you think about it, he's kind of an asshole, but I'm sure I just don't understand it."

I'll use an example argument made by TheAmazingAtheist. I say, "I am my own father." You say, "That's impossible," because it is. Am I really allowed to say, "I am beyond the laws of the universe and human comprehension" and have that as a valid argument? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Then any debating is invalid because atheist can't except God in what it is supposed to be. You can't just take qualities away because it doesn't fit your own agenda. Yea you can blatantly say it's a cop out, but why even argue then? Why would I debate with someone about water if they took a quality away from it? That would never work. Think about it for a moment, if you did believe God existed, do you think you would be able to totally explain him? Absolutely not.

Right. Debating is pointless because where I choose to use logic and reason, you have developed a sort of reusable cop-out in creating something that defies the laws of the universe of its own creation.

What's so illogical about God not being understandable? If anything, I see the cop out excuse as a cop out excuse.

Teckno wrote:

What's so illogical about God not being understandable? If anything, I see the cop out excuse as a cop out excuse.

Because your God doesn't follow the laws of logic or the universe, making him impossible to exist. You're saying He is allowed to do that. That's a cop-out.

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

What's so illogical about God not being understandable? If anything, I see the cop out excuse as a cop out excuse.

Because your God doesn't follow the laws of logic or the universe, making him impossible to exist. You're saying He is allowed to do that. That's a cop-out.

Were you not the one in the chatbox saying God can exist? You can't just switch with your arguments. God created the universe so he is above the laws of the universe.

Teckno wrote:

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

What's so illogical about God not being understandable? If anything, I see the cop out excuse as a cop out excuse.

Because your God doesn't follow the laws of logic or the universe, making him impossible to exist. You're saying He is allowed to do that. That's a cop-out.

Were you not the one in the chatbox saying God can exist? You can't just switch with your arguments. God created the universe so he is above the laws of the universe.

God can exist. It's called an unfalsifiable negative. You can't disprove him because a basic god has no traits. I could say prayer works, and we could attempt it, and if nothing happens, you could easily say God knew we weren't really praying and I couldn't prove you wrong.

However, when you give God traits intertwined with history, logic, and emotion, then he is no longer an unfalsifiable negative. It just makes no sense.

You guys say he damns to Hell those that worship him, yet claim His violent jealousy is okay because He is God.
You claim that God is the emotions, not that He expresses them, YET HE CLEARLY AND BLATANTLY EXPRESSED THEM.

Your arguments are no longer based in logic and reason.

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

What's so illogical about God not being understandable? If anything, I see the cop out excuse as a cop out excuse.

Because your God doesn't follow the laws of logic or the universe, making him impossible to exist. You're saying He is allowed to do that. That's a cop-out.

Were you not the one in the chatbox saying God can exist? You can't just switch with your arguments. God created the universe so he is above the laws of the universe.

God can exist. It's called an unfalsifiable negative. You can't disprove him because a basic god has no traits. I could say prayer works, and we could attempt it, and if nothing happens, you could easily say God knew we weren't really praying and I couldn't prove you wrong.

However, when you give God traits intertwined with history, logic, and emotion, then he is no longer an unfalsifiable negative. It just makes no sense.

You guys say he damns to Hell those that worship him, yet claim His violent jealousy is okay because He is God.
You claim that God is the emotions, not that He expresses them, YET HE CLEARLY AND BLATANTLY EXPRESSED THEM.

Your arguments are no longer based in logic and reason.

Wait, what? When did I say any of that? Why would God damn those to hell that worship him? And what violent jealousy? Yes he did express them and?
What is this I don't even..

Teckno wrote:

Wait, what? When did I say any of that? Why would God damn those to hell that worship him? And what violent jealousy? Yes he did express them and?
What is this I don't even..

These are just arguments from various people on the thread. And I meant to say people that don't worship him, that was a typo.

Damning people to Hell who don't worship him is a violent expression of jealousy that's been defended in this thread, and I was told (I think it was igame who said this) that God doesn't express those emotions.

^^

ROFL!

Guys, just tone the intensity down a notch.

Sonji wrote:

So, since God is perfect, we should all treat women like shit? He says so, does he not?

Crush babies against hard rocks? (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9)
Child abuse? (Judges 11:29-40)
God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3)

Can't wait to see what comes out of that.

Psamls 137:9 - "Happy is he who dasheth thy infants on the rocks"

It is reference to the fall of Jerusalem and the captivity of Israel, its simply stating that Babylon has committed many terrible acts against the Jews and that Babylon shall be repaid, Babylon had come into Judah and killed many of their children. So, the poet in this passage was simply saying that, one day, Babylon would get its "just desserts".

Hosea 13:16 - "Samaria will be held guilty, because she rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, their infants will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women will be ripped open."

its figuratively, not literally, the Israelites began to worship other gods, after He took them out of Egypt, fed them and pretty much took cared of them along the way to the Promised Land, then they became ungrateful and failed to acknowledge him.

Judges 11:29 - 40 - too long to post it

Leviticus 18:21 clearly states that God does not want human sacrifices, noticed how she is upset cuz she "will not marry"? THAT was the sacrifice, she stayed virgin and did not marry. Also whenever they made burnt offering to God they always HAD to be male, whether it be sheep or goat, never human.

Deuteronomy 3 - too long to post

I read it and did not see anywhere where God directly ordered the death of all men, women and children, it was a war obviously, you can't win a war unless you kill the enemy, the bible is simply stating what happened, but yeah you fuck with God's people and you will get raped up the ass.

TRF wrote:

igame, you're just making pointless arguments. God damns to Hell those that don't believe in Him and rewards those that do. Based on that, one can logically assume that He desires and needs love and worship.

And don't tell me that God is beyond logic, because that's just a weak argument.

Its not that he "desires" worship, its more that he "deserves" worship, just pretend that he is real for a moment, that he did create everything, do you not think that a higher being that gave life to everything deserves worship?

TRF wrote:

Teckno wrote:

Wait, what? When did I say any of that? Why would God damn those to hell that worship him? And what violent jealousy? Yes he did express them and?
What is this I don't even..

These are just arguments from various people on the thread. And I meant to say people that don't worship him, that was a typo.

Damning people to Hell who don't worship him is a violent expression of jealousy that's been defended in this thread, and I was told (I think it was igame who said this) that God doesn't express those emotions.

No one in the old testament went to heaven after they died, why? because of SIN. No matter how much you praised him or believed in him, you would still not go to heaven, because your sins still remained with you. Where the eff did they go then? no idea, maybe i'll research that later.

In the new testament God gives up his only son for us, so that we can reach Him thru Christ, what an asshole right? giving up his son for us humans, just so he can get rid of our sins and be able to go to heaven.

John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Notice that it does not mention anything about "worship"

unnecessary thread is unnecessary. should have been locked from the begining

believe what you want just dont force it on other people

& religion isnt evil, its man it sell

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We aren't forcing it on each other. If you don't like the thread, leave.

Fucking Christ.

Sonji wrote:

^^

We aren't forcing it on each other. If you don't like the thread, leave.

Fucking Christ.

wasnt just talking about people in this thread, i ment that everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe.
& maby you shouldnt allow threads about religion , considering this is a gaming forum ADMIN

ADV3N7URER!!!!! wrote:

Sonji wrote:

^^

We aren't forcing it on each other. If you don't like the thread, leave.

Fucking Christ.

wasnt just talking about people in this thread, i ment that everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe.
& maby you shouldnt allow threads about religion , considering this is a gaming forum ADMIN

This is in the Rant which is under the Off-Topic sub-forum, MEMBER.

all im saying is that this thread might offend forum members that are religious. iseewhatyoudidthere

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Maybe they shouldn't open up this thread?