Religion, and what I feel about it.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

I am against religion but not against religious people.

I think it should be the other way around. Like for example Christians say that masterbating is a sin, but the bible makes no clear mention about it.

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

I am against religion but not against religious people.

I think it should be the other way around. Like for example Christians say that masterbating is a sin, but the bible makes no clear mention about it.

I actually asked one of my pastors about that, she said it was ok depending on the situation
but hey i say that if its a sin to masterbate, then have someone do it for you

Reaper wrote:

Like i was saying in the chatbox, i can sympathise with Blix because of the situation in Sweden right now

Yeah, because we all know that every religious person is a rapist. Just like how every black person mugs people.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

These are very interesting points blixt. But i don't agree with everything. You cannot blame religion for wars. I mean there are alot of wars thanks to religion but war is something thats inside us humans.

However the story of christianity disturbs me. I mean asked once this christian catholic the question. If i am a good person, i don't drink nor smoke nor be disrespectfull towards people yet i choose for not being a christian will i still go to hell. According to every single christian i asked that question they all said yes you will go to hell. And thats the main thing that disturbs me. I am against religion but not against religious people. Thats why i prefer mormonism if i was simple enough to actually believe in something like a religion.

I dont think you understand.Every person sins.It doesnt matter if we are talking about a charity donor or a serial killer.Both sin and therefore need to ask lord jesus christ to be their savior.You can only reach god through Jesus, and if you dont, you will go to hell.Dont get me wrong, god wants people not to sin and do terrible things, but as humans, we ALL sin.If a serial killer asks jesus for forgiveness, then he will be forgiven.If for example an athiest doesnt ask for frogiveness, how will his sins be forgiven?See my point?

Zeratul wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

These are very interesting points blixt. But i don't agree with everything. You cannot blame religion for wars. I mean there are alot of wars thanks to religion but war is something thats inside us humans.

However the story of christianity disturbs me. I mean asked once this christian catholic the question. If i am a good person, i don't drink nor smoke nor be disrespectfull towards people yet i choose for not being a christian will i still go to hell. According to every single christian i asked that question they all said yes you will go to hell. And thats the main thing that disturbs me. I am against religion but not against religious people. Thats why i prefer mormonism if i was simple enough to actually believe in something like a religion.

I dont think you understand.Every person sins.It doesnt matter if we are talking about a charity donor or a serial killer.Both sin and therefore need to ask lord jesus christ to be their savior.You can only reach god through Jesus, and if you dont, you will go to hell.Dont get me wrong, god wants people not to sin and do terrible things, but as humans, we ALL sin.If a serial killer asks jesus for forgiveness, then he will be forgiven.If for example an athiest doesnt ask for frogiveness, how will his sins be forgiven?See my point?

So a serial killer who worships Jesus is seen as being higher than an atheist who has never harmed a hair on anyone's head. Yeah, I have a big issue with that.

TRF wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

These are very interesting points blixt. But i don't agree with everything. You cannot blame religion for wars. I mean there are alot of wars thanks to religion but war is something thats inside us humans.

However the story of christianity disturbs me. I mean asked once this christian catholic the question. If i am a good person, i don't drink nor smoke nor be disrespectfull towards people yet i choose for not being a christian will i still go to hell. According to every single christian i asked that question they all said yes you will go to hell. And thats the main thing that disturbs me. I am against religion but not against religious people. Thats why i prefer mormonism if i was simple enough to actually believe in something like a religion.

I dont think you understand.Every person sins.It doesnt matter if we are talking about a charity donor or a serial killer.Both sin and therefore need to ask lord jesus christ to be their savior.You can only reach god through Jesus, and if you dont, you will go to hell.Dont get me wrong, god wants people not to sin and do terrible things, but as humans, we ALL sin.If a serial killer asks jesus for forgiveness, then he will be forgiven.If for example an athiest doesnt ask for frogiveness, how will his sins be forgiven?See my point?

So a serial killer who worships Jesus is seen as being higher than an atheist who has never harmed a hair on anyone's head. Yeah, I have a big issue with that.

If a serial killer truly asks for FORGIVENESS for his sins and asks lord jesus christ as his savior, then he will go to heaven.His terrible cimres will be forgiven.An athiest who doesnt bleieve in god nor jesus is obviosly not going to the house of god and isnt forgiven for his sins is gonna go to hell.That athiest has sinned EVERY day of his entire life, so how can his sins be foregiven if he hasnt asked for forgiveness, let alone beleive that there is a god?This is my understanding of it all anyways, every christain interpretes things differently.

That's pretty corrupt if you'll be forgiven for killing someone.

Why would a serial killer worship Jesus? if the man is sorry for killing people, and actually means it from the heart and is willing to change, then yeah his sins are washed away.

The problem with the atheist is that as Zeratul said, he does not have a relationship with God, and once he dies the Lord will cast him down to hell.
For he did not remember Him when he was on earth, and God will do the same once he is in front of Him, He just gonna be like "who the fuck are you dude?"
You don't ignore the father of creation and expect something good out of it.


@BlackStigma

Its called "love" dude lol

So no matter how many good deeds an atheist does he's still going to hell? Well it's no wonder why atheist hate religion so much.

TRF wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

These are very interesting points blixt. But i don't agree with everything. You cannot blame religion for wars. I mean there are alot of wars thanks to religion but war is something thats inside us humans.

However the story of christianity disturbs me. I mean asked once this christian catholic the question. If i am a good person, i don't drink nor smoke nor be disrespectfull towards people yet i choose for not being a christian will i still go to hell. According to every single christian i asked that question they all said yes you will go to hell. And thats the main thing that disturbs me. I am against religion but not against religious people. Thats why i prefer mormonism if i was simple enough to actually believe in something like a religion.

I dont think you understand.Every person sins.It doesnt matter if we are talking about a charity donor or a serial killer.Both sin and therefore need to ask lord jesus christ to be their savior.You can only reach god through Jesus, and if you dont, you will go to hell.Dont get me wrong, god wants people not to sin and do terrible things, but as humans, we ALL sin.If a serial killer asks jesus for forgiveness, then he will be forgiven.If for example an athiest doesnt ask for frogiveness, how will his sins be forgiven?See my point?

So a serial killer who worships Jesus is seen as being higher than an atheist who has never harmed a hair on anyone's head. Yeah, I have a big issue with that.

That is pretty fucked up.

Reaper wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Reaper wrote:

Like i was saying in the chatbox, i can sympathise with Blix because of the situation in Sweden right now

Yeah, because we all know that every religious person is a rapist. Just like how every black person mugs people.

Thats not my point, if you go to live in another country you follow that countries laws...but when it comes to muslims in sweden they follow their own laws and it gets buried by the swedish government because they dont want to be seen as anti-muslim....really all they need to do is stop laying down for that kind of despicable behavior.

If i was to go into a muslim country and drink alcohol, eat pork, and in general live the same way i do here in the UK i would quickly find myself in jail, but when the shoes on the other foot its not the case.

I say if you dont like our laws then fuck off home.

Fuck Islam, fuck Christianity, fuck all religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%E2%80%99a_Khalil_Aswad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Association#Islam
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060219/news_1n19cartoon.html

Read these then i dare you to tell me that religion isnt a big fucking problem, look what it makes people do.

Like in France, they have banned that stupid full face veil that women of Islam are forced to wear. Kudos to the French.

to be fair, if you don't believe in any religion then you believe that when you die, that's it, your body will rot and you'll be forgotten.

As improbable as it may sound, I like the possibility of an afterlife. That would be awesome.
So in case it's true that there's life after death, I don't want to disrespect God(?)

Okay, this thread is starting to get disturbing.

Zeratul wrote:

TRF wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

These are very interesting points blixt. But i don't agree with everything. You cannot blame religion for wars. I mean there are alot of wars thanks to religion but war is something thats inside us humans.

However the story of christianity disturbs me. I mean asked once this christian catholic the question. If i am a good person, i don't drink nor smoke nor be disrespectfull towards people yet i choose for not being a christian will i still go to hell. According to every single christian i asked that question they all said yes you will go to hell. And thats the main thing that disturbs me. I am against religion but not against religious people. Thats why i prefer mormonism if i was simple enough to actually believe in something like a religion.

I dont think you understand.Every person sins.It doesnt matter if we are talking about a charity donor or a serial killer.Both sin and therefore need to ask lord jesus christ to be their savior.You can only reach god through Jesus, and if you dont, you will go to hell.Dont get me wrong, god wants people not to sin and do terrible things, but as humans, we ALL sin.If a serial killer asks jesus for forgiveness, then he will be forgiven.If for example an athiest doesnt ask for frogiveness, how will his sins be forgiven?See my point?

So a serial killer who worships Jesus is seen as being higher than an atheist who has never harmed a hair on anyone's head. Yeah, I have a big issue with that.

If a serial killer truly asks for FORGIVENESS for his sins and asks lord jesus christ as his savior, then he will go to heaven.His terrible cimres will be forgiven.An athiest who doesnt bleieve in god nor jesus is obviosly not going to the house of god and isnt forgiven for his sins is gonna go to hell.That athiest has sinned EVERY day of his entire life, so how can his sins be foregiven if he hasnt asked for forgiveness, let alone beleive that there is a god?This is my understanding of it all anyways, every christain interpretes things differently.

Yeah, I'm sure the families of the victims would take solace in knowing that Jesus forgave the man who killed their children. God may be forgiving one man for his crimes, but in doing so, he's basically fucking over a bunch of others. How would you feel if a man murdered your son and you met that man in heaven because he had a little guilt trip? I'd be pretty pissed.

Zeratul wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

These are very interesting points blixt. But i don't agree with everything. You cannot blame religion for wars. I mean there are alot of wars thanks to religion but war is something thats inside us humans.

However the story of christianity disturbs me. I mean asked once this christian catholic the question. If i am a good person, i don't drink nor smoke nor be disrespectfull towards people yet i choose for not being a christian will i still go to hell. According to every single christian i asked that question they all said yes you will go to hell. And thats the main thing that disturbs me. I am against religion but not against religious people. Thats why i prefer mormonism if i was simple enough to actually believe in something like a religion.

I dont think you understand.Every person sins.It doesnt matter if we are talking about a charity donor or a serial killer.Both sin and therefore need to ask lord jesus christ to be their savior.You can only reach god through Jesus, and if you dont, you will go to hell.Dont get me wrong, god wants people not to sin and do terrible things, but as humans, we ALL sin.If a serial killer asks jesus for forgiveness, then he will be forgiven.If for example an athiest doesnt ask for frogiveness, how will his sins be forgiven?See my point?

So a serial killer and a pedophile just turns into a christian and POOF they go to heaven. An atheist that had a good life and was friendly goes to hell because he chooses not to be a christian. If so then your religion sucks and you should be ashamed for being a slave to that.

EDIT:my point is that you shouldn't put all sins together as the same. Genocide is a sin but its worse then swearing or stealing. yet you get the same punishment. That shows how horrible and misinformed your "god" actually is.

Hey, Zera can believe what he wants to.

TRF wrote:

Hey, Zera can believe what he wants to.

People can also join the KKK if they want. But that doesn't change my opinion on them.

Kinda like Jeffrey Dahmer. He got converted to Christianity after he got caught. And i'm sure that alot of you are aware of the crimes Jeffrey has commited.

My counter rant :) Censored because I'm not familiar with the rules, and don't care to look them up...

I believe in God. Or a creator would be more accurate... When scientists have been quoted saying things like, "DNA is far too complex to have happened by chance." I tend to agree with them. When the religion I grew up in says, "the earth is only a few thousand years old," I tend to disagree with that.

Point being who gives a flying **** what anyone else believes, I don't give my beliefs to anybody who doesn't ask for them. Nor do I care to hear from anybody else's perspective. Especially if that person is atheist.

Seems like any time an atheist finds out I believe in God he wants to spend the rest of his life trying to "Make me see the light" in that everything was created by random chance. I don't care. I never will care, and the fact that you care so much shows me how insecure you are in your beliefs. Not saying all atheists, TRF and I get along just fine and the issue has never come up between us, just the ones I have met in person.

I don't know what it is about people and trying to convert you to ****, not just religion, but hell since we're on a gaming website let's say consoles, different sports, different music. I'll try anything once but my God if I don't like it I don't like it, STFU. Some people take life way too seriously...

If somebody needs something more to believe in that this life has meaning great. If you want to believe that there's nothing more to life then life itself awesome. Personally I think it's foolish to say we all got here because of a bang, or that dna in two different species are so closely related because it was a happy accident. I can't comprehend life coming from nothing, especially since all we have seen our whole lives is life coming from other life.

To finish my essay teacher I would like to point out that in this Religion or God debate there is only 1 fact that can be stated, everything else is opinion. 1 thing everybody can say, "Yup that's true," and that is that WE DON'T KNOW ****. The faster we all get that through our heads the better off we'll be.

Not disagreeing with you, Pizzy, but I never understood the "chance" argument for the existence of God. Yes, DNA is incredibly complex and the chance of it existing at that complexity is very slim. However, let's say I hand you a deck of cards and tell you to pick five off the top. You pick a 2 of hearts, a king of diamonds, a jack of spades, a 10 of diamonds, and a Joker. What is the chance of you picking those five cards in that EXACT order? Slim to none. But you still picked them, didn't you?

As for a "happy accident," animal DNA is closely related because of evolution. Evolution could be considered a "happy accident," but it doesn't happen for every species. The ones that don't evolve go extinct.

But yes, overall, I agree that you should let people believe what they want to, although I see no harm in debating since I doubt anyone is going to convert because of this thread.

Reaper wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Reaper wrote:

Like i was saying in the chatbox, i can sympathise with Blix because of the situation in Sweden right now

Yeah, because we all know that every religious person is a rapist. Just like how every black person mugs people.

Thats not my point, if you go to live in another country you follow that countries laws...but when it comes to muslims in sweden they follow their own laws and it gets buried by the swedish government because they dont want to be seen as anti-muslim....really all they need to do is stop laying down for that kind of despicable behavior.

If i was to go into a muslim country and drink alcohol, eat pork, and in general live the same way i do here in the UK i would quickly find myself in jail, but when the shoes on the other foot its not the case.

I say if you dont like our laws then fuck off home.

Fuck Islam, fuck Christianity, fuck all religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%E2%80%99a_Khalil_Aswad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Association#Islam
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060219/news_1n19cartoon.html

Read these then i dare you to tell me that religion isnt a big fucking problem, look what it makes people do.

Wait, so you're trying to tell us the people who did rape didn't go to jail? Gtfo.

Religion doesn't make people do that. People use religion as a defense to defend their unjustifiable action.

igame wrote:

Why would a serial killer worship Jesus? if the man is sorry for killing people, and actually means it from the heart and is willing to change, then yeah his sins are washed away.

The problem with the atheist is that as Zeratul said, he does not have a relationship with God, and once he dies the Lord will cast him down to hell.
For he did not remember Him when he was on earth, and God will do the same once he is in front of Him, He just gonna be like "who the fuck are you dude?"
You don't ignore the father of creation and expect something good out of it.


@BlackStigma

Its called "love" dude lol

That was just an example.My grandfather was an alchoholic who cheated on my grandmother and ended up divorcing, but later in his years he felt terribly guilty and wanted forgiveness from god.Now hes a respectable older man who has a great relation ship with god.

@BlackStigma
How is it corrupt?If you had a son or daughter who murdered someone, if they asked for forgiveness, would you not forgive them?I know I would.