Problems with Dark Knight Trilogy

Me and my mates often say "WHERE IS SHE?" in Batman's voice, just for laughs.

@Mecha I know, I just wanted to see what you'd say. You answered your own question. Nolan probably didn't want to do their origin and you can't really do Ra's origin without mentioning Lazarus which isn't possible in Nolanverse. Bane's origin can be done but you'd have to change things still. Mandarin is weird since magic is there in the MCU but Mandarin seems to be realistic for some reason in Iron Man 3.

Even without the rings The Mandarin is still very unrealistic. Because he can take on Iron Man with his bare hands and avoid his missiles. Which a god like Loki had trouble doing.

So yeah, The Mandarin is basically superhuman as well, but its never really explained why in the comics. So I doubt The Mandarin will be supernatural in Iron Man 3, since they find alien magic rings unrealistic as well.

I just hope The Mandarin is just as intelligent as Tony Start and doesn't turn out into just another guy in an armor.

This perfectly describes the big mess and dissapointment I had watching The Dark Knight Rises:

I'm pretty sure that was posted before.

Not in this thread....

But if you want to be an Arab and all, whatever.

lol forgot about this thread.

What bothers me the most about The Dark Knight Trilogy is that Nolan completely removed the mental illness theme from the comics.

Batman retiring is completely out of character. Yes, it happen in the comics a couple of times, but that's when he becomes old and eventually he comes back as Batman.

Mecha wrote:

lol forgot about this thread.

What bothers me the most about The Dark Knight Trilogy is that Nolan completely removed the mental illness theme from the comics.

Batman retiring is completely out of character. Yes, it happen in the comics a couple of times, but that's when he becomes old and eventually he comes back as Batman.

I have no problem with Batman retiring in The Dark Knight trilogy since that was basically the theme of the entire films - That Batman was a symbol.

Though, I still think Nolan could have done a better job. I also found it odd how Bruce Wayne can live with his parent's death, but once his love life dies he just gives up? I mean, WTF?

I feel like the film just isn't as smart as the The Dark Knight.

That's because it isn't.

TDKR could have been so much more. To me, it feels that Nolan tried to outdo himself by going: "Bigger and better", instead of thinking about another good, original story with some cool twists and turns.

@Rambo

No. Batman is a mental illness that Bruce suffers. In fact, Bruce is just an identity that Batman uses, so he shouldn't have any desire to retire. What's worse is that it seems he would have retire a lot sooner if it wasn't for Rachel Dawes. And Bruce was only Batman for like a year and half through out the whole trilogy. Like WTF!? He retired way too soon for no good reason other than that he didn't want to continue anymore. That's NOT Batman!

I can except the fact that Batman has a ridiculous voice and isn't as intelligent as he suppose to be, but retiring as such a young age and saying Batman is just a symbol is retarded.

Well wasn't Bruce deteriorating physically? I have no problem with Batman quitting per se, but it's uncharacteristic of Bruce Wayne, someone who's built so much of Gotham and protects his city, to just leave it without truly integrating a suitable replacement. And to fake his death, well . . . that's just dumb.

HA! In the comics Batman still continued to fight crime even when he was in worse shape. A comic book movie doesn't have to be 100% faithful, but Batman gave up way too easily. Also once Bruce got out of the pit in the film, he became physically healed. The pit is based on the Lazarus Pit, that was the whole point of it.

Nolan focus too much on the action scenes and stupid love triangles instead of THIS...

Mecha wrote:

@Rambo

No. Batman is a mental illness that Bruce suffers. In fact, Bruce is just an identity that Batman uses, so he shouldn't have any desire to retire. What's worse is that it seems he would have retire a lot sooner if it wasn't for Rachel Dawes. And Bruce was only Batman for like a year and half through out the whole trilogy. Like WTF!? He retired way too soon for no good reason other than that he didn't want to continue anymore. That's NOT Batman!

I can except the fact that Batman has a ridiculous voice and isn't as intelligent as he suppose to be, but retiring as such a young age and saying Batman is just a symbol is retarded.

When did I say it wasn't?

All I'm saying is that in The Dark Knight Trilogy, Nolan created his own version of Batman and made him more of a symbol than anything else. Which I'm perfectly fine with, but the actual execution is lackluster and downright lazy.

Yeah, and Joel Schumacher created his own version of Batman as well, so that's okay too. I'm sorry, but it just seems people are okay with this became they see Nolan as some kind of god or something. Which I'm guilty of as well, but there's a limit to it. Nolan made a crap load of changes which I had to except, but making Batman just a symbol was the last straw the broke the camel's back.

Don't get me wrong, I still love The Dark Knight trilogy, but lets not pretend to kiss Nolan's ass on every changes he makes to the Batman mythology. Even people that don't read comics know damn well Batman has a mind of his own.

I'm not "kissing his ass", but if that makes you happy, whatever.

Again, I'm not saying his version of Batman is perfect, because it isn't. But I can still accept that Nolan had his own vision and ran with it. Especially since it worked well in the 2 previous installments.

I'm with Rambo on this. I don't have a problem with Batman retiring, but I can't accept that he'd fake his death just to get out of responsibility.

That's the thing, Rachel Dawes says Bruce Wayne was just a mask and that Batman was his true identity. Then The Joker tells Batman that they were no different from each other, which is true. But then Nolan completely forgets all about that by the third film. :jackie:

It's as if Nolan ended it that way just so they don't ask him to come back to do a Dark Knight 4.

Mecha wrote:

That's the thing, Rachel Dawes says Bruce Wayne was just a mask and that Batman was his true identity. Then The Joker tells Batman that they were no different from each other, which is true. But then Nolan completely forgets all about that by the third film. :jackie:

It's as if Nolan ended it that way just so they don't ask him to come back to do a Dark Knight 4.

I think it's quite obvious he was going to retire since that's essentially what the entirety of The Dark Knight centered around. Either that, or he would die and someone else would still take over.

Yeah but that's when he finally wanted to settle down with Rachel Dawes and have Harvey Dent replace him. Since they're both dead, what other reason was there for Bruce to retire after a year and a half of being Batman? Surely he could've keep on protecting Gotham a few more years and then retire. What was the point of being Batman in the first place if he was going to retire so soon?

Whether you hate or love the last film in the trilogy, you have to agree. The next director has his work cut out for him.

Well obviously Heath Ledger's Joker can't be topped, so the only thing they can really do is... I don't want to say make him more faithful to the comics, but give us classic Joker for the next reboot series.

I didn't mean the Joker, I meant the next person to helm a Batman movie has his work cut out for him. Even if it's close the source.

Not really. The reboot will probably be too different to even compare. Not just because it will likely be more faithful to the comics, but it will also have be an original story as well.

What they need to do is go back to the core of the Batman mythology, and focus more on the mental illness theme and tone down the realism as well. The filmmakers should also embrace the fact that Batman is the world's greatest detective and not trying to humanize him like Nolan did. Also they should make Alfred into a former agent for British Intelligence, so that he doesn't get too concerned about Bruce fighting crime every night.

If they can do all that then it has potential to be even better than the Nolan films.

Wasn't Alfred a former military personnel in Nolan's films? I think they explained why he doesn't in TDKR want Bruce to be Batman again by saying that Alfred doesn't want to bury another Wayne, even if he does at the end.... sort of.

I think they will toned down the realism, but not by a lot if they're going to do a JLA film.

It can have the potential, but it also depends on how it's executed.