multiple embassies attacked

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Islam is no more violent than Christianity or Judaism. Extremists Muslims just seem to act on the violence more, which really means that they're following the religion as-is. Anyone who thinks Christianity and Judaism are peaceful aren't true Christians or Jews.

Crusades? The fuck is that?

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Islam is no more violent than Christianity or Judaism. Extremists Muslims just seem to act on the violence more, which really means that they're following the religion as-is. Anyone who thinks Christianity and Judaism are peaceful aren't true Christians or Jews.

Can you give me examples of modern day Jews or Christians causing similar atrocities?

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Islam is no more violent than Christianity or Judaism. Extremists Muslims just seem to act on the violence more, which really means that they're following the religion as-is. Anyone who thinks Christianity and Judaism are peaceful aren't true Christians or Jews.

Don't kid yourself. I don't see Christianity and Judaism pulling this shit.

Stoney wrote:

Can you give me examples of modern day Jews or Christians causing similar atrocities?

Mecha wrote:

Don't kid yourself. I don't see Christianity and Judaism pulling this shit.

Like I said, extremist Muslims are the only ones who act on the violence, but there's plenty of condoned violence in the Bible and the Torah. So while the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion is completely false, it should not be singled as the only violent religion.

Sexton_Flashheart wrote:

And TRF, all the deluded religious texts have violence, its just that the muslims are undeniably the ones who act on it the most, whether that makes them true followers or not the fact remains that they are just fucking deluded and a blight on humanity.

Well that's what I'm saying. That the religion itself is no more violent than the others, but the extremists acting on their religions are mostly Muslim.

I agree with Jack about the whole poking with a stick part. The filmmaker is also partly at fault since that person who made that film since it is trigger of all of this. Who did the bigger evil is what most people are looking at.

It only takes one person to piss off a bunch of people. Look at facebook for example; all it takes is one dead baby joke to piss off an entire group of people.

Padders wrote:

It only takes one person to piss off a bunch of people. Look at facebook for example; all it takes is one dead baby joke to piss off an entire group of people.

Right, and if the people you're trying to offend have a history of violent retaliation to being offended, it might be best not to offend them.

I wouldnt call any of the abrahmic religions violent at heart. There is plenty of violence in all three books, but for the most part they dont tell modern beleivers to go kill others. There are verses that are nit-picked that at first glance justify violence, but typically are mis interpretated or taken out of context. Extrememists and radicals can always find a verse from the Quran, Bible or Torah to justify their actions.

In all honesty though, You can use the Quran to justify hate and violence more easily.Here are some of the last words of Islam and Christianity figureheads...

Jesus:"Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34.

Mohammed:"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427

And not to mention in the 3 Abrahamic religions, the Christiandom and the Jews have a great relationship while the Muslim community tends to want to fight or kill us. There is an obvious big attitude change among the followers of the abrahamic religions.

Even if the Bible and Torah don't directly tell you to do misdeeds as much as the Qur'an, you're still expected to follow the word of a misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent deity. Do you not think that that, in turn, is promoting those behaviors in its followers?

Zeratul wrote:

Mohammed:"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achtiname_of_Muhammad

Sheogorath wrote:

It doesn't change the fact that the one who started all this was that Israeli-American faggot who made that stupid film about Islam, knowing that they explode quite easily.

He's not Israeli-American. He's a Coptic Christian and an Egyptian-American.

Just give up the guy who started it all to the people as sacrifice

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Even if the Bible and Torah don't directly tell you to do misdeeds as much as the Qur'an, you're still expected to follow the word of a misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent deity. Do you not think that that, in turn, is promoting those behaviors in its followers?

He is only those things if you look at it from a humanist point of view. If he was those things things like you say, we would all be dead or destroyed by now nor would he have sent his son to die on the cross for our sins. Theologians would typically disagree with your view.

Zeratul wrote:

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Even if the Bible and Torah don't directly tell you to do misdeeds as much as the Qur'an, you're still expected to follow the word of a misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent deity. Do you not think that that, in turn, is promoting those behaviors in its followers?

He is only those things if you look at it from a humanist point of view. If he was those things things like you say, we would all be dead or destroyed by now nor would he have sent his son to die on the cross for our sins. Theologians would typically disagree with your view.

No, because God needs our worship. He doesn't exist if people don't speak of him daily. He's reliant on us, not the other way around. And I find it funny how you have an excuse for your god but you criticize Islam's god for just as misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent.

Disturbing text in quran: "O my god Islam is such a dangerous barbaric religion, it has only caused hate and war we must get rid of it"

Disturbing text in the bible: "Obviously taken out of context"

Point is that if you use an old dusty book made by barbarians who didn't know what the fuck they where talking about and take it too serious. You're gonna have a bad time.

Zeratul wrote:

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Even if the Bible and Torah don't directly tell you to do misdeeds as much as the Qur'an, you're still expected to follow the word of a misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent deity. Do you not think that that, in turn, is promoting those behaviors in its followers?

He is only those things if you look at it from a humanist point of view. If he was those things things like you say, we would all be dead or destroyed by now nor would he have sent his son to die on the cross for our sins. Theologians would typically disagree with your view.

It's funny that you talk about him dying for our sins when the guy who said it into motion was sent to hell (Judas).

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Even if the Bible and Torah don't directly tell you to do misdeeds as much as the Qur'an, you're still expected to follow the word of a misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent deity. Do you not think that that, in turn, is promoting those behaviors in its followers?

He is only those things if you look at it from a humanist point of view. If he was those things things like you say, we would all be dead or destroyed by now nor would he have sent his son to die on the cross for our sins. Theologians would typically disagree with your view.

No, because God needs our worship. He doesn't exist if people don't speak of him daily. He's reliant on us, not the other way around. And I find it funny how you have an excuse for your god but you criticize Islam's god for just as misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent.

I think you(and others) are ignoring what I am saying in my posts, selecting only parts of it. I never said "Allah" or Islam where evil. If you read what I said, I claimed that all 3 Abrahamic religions arent violent at heart and that scripture can be used by radicals and extremists on all sides. I merely pointed out that Islam is easier to use for hate and violence than Christianity and Judaism.

Your philosophy is flawed. Does matter cease existing because we arent here to see it? No. And how the hell do you think God is reliant on us? He created us and the universe. He does not need our worship, he could destroy us at any moment of any given time if he pleased. Of course, you are looking at the situation from a very athiestic closed minded way. You assume that he exists only as a belief, thus if we all died(with our beleifs), he would too. This is not a good way of thinking in any religious debate or philosophy class. Dont debate the nature of God from a humanists/athiest view...

@Greg jennings
John 6:64 "Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him."

Jesus was fully aware of what was to come. He knew the reason he was on this earth. Judas chose to betray Christ. Whether Judas went to hell or not is debated. In my oppinion, it is for the Lord to determine and not us.

Zeratul wrote:

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

TheCinemaJack wrote:

Even if the Bible and Torah don't directly tell you to do misdeeds as much as the Qur'an, you're still expected to follow the word of a misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent deity. Do you not think that that, in turn, is promoting those behaviors in its followers?

He is only those things if you look at it from a humanist point of view. If he was those things things like you say, we would all be dead or destroyed by now nor would he have sent his son to die on the cross for our sins. Theologians would typically disagree with your view.

No, because God needs our worship. He doesn't exist if people don't speak of him daily. He's reliant on us, not the other way around. And I find it funny how you have an excuse for your god but you criticize Islam's god for just as misogynistic, intolerant, petty, and violent.

@Greg jennings
John 6:64 "Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him."

Jesus was fully aware of what was to come. He knew the reason he was on this earth. Judas chose to betray Christ. Whether Judas went to hell or not is debated. In my oppinion, it is for the Lord to determine and not us.

Pretty sure it is stated in one of the gospels that Judas went to hell, and since God wrote through them.... I'm sure you get the picture. Judas betraying Christ was all done to fulfill the prophecy.

Zeratul wrote:

Your philosophy is flawed. Does matter cease existing because we arent here to see it? No. And how the hell do you think God is reliant on us? He created us and the universe. He does not need our worship, he could destroy us at any moment of any given time if he pleased. Of course, you are looking at the situation from a very athiestic closed minded way. You assume that he exists only as a belief, thus if we all died(with our beleifs), he would too. This is not a good way of thinking in any religious debate or philosophy class. Dont debate the nature of God from a humanists/athiest view...

God has a paradise for people who worship him and a torture chamber for people who don't. Don't act like He doesn't need our worship, because He does, otherwise He wouldn't provide incentive for worship and punishment for rejection. He DOES exist only as a belief, so long as there is no objective evidence in support of His existence. Religion is for the gullible; in the words of George Carlin, "Tell people there’s an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure." So now that we've established that God exists as a belief, we can also state that a belief does not exist if no one thinks about it; therefore, God needs mankind to exist.

I didn't wanna get involved in this because i always try to avoid talking about religion.
But hey i'm bored and have nothing to do at the moment.



God made hell for the fallen angels that rebelled against him, it wasn't meant for us
until Adam and Eve sinned, that of course does not change the fact that sinners
have been going there ever since, just a bit of knowledge i wanted to throw.

He doesn't NEED our worship, its more of him DESERVING nothing less of that for being
king of kings, the creator, God. Its hard to see it this way if you are stubborn or arrogant.
Not saying anyone here is.

Also on the new testament it does not say to worship in order to be saved, but to BELIEVE.
Some people take it as it is, and think that by only believing in him means that they
are ok and can do whatever the heck they want, not exactly how it works.

He does not only exist as belief, i can personally say that i had some pretty amazing
experiences at church and others as well, most refer to that as God "touching" you.

And yes as a kid only believed because i grew up going to the catholic church,
and it was like that up until i was around 16, which is when i stopped only believing
because i was told to, and started believing because of experiences i had.

It does seem crazy to believe a higher being created everything, but it is also hard
to believe all of this came to be from nothing, from chance, from a big bang.
Most of us believed it because even tho it is just a theory, it was taught to us as fact.


Well there it is, my 2 cents with the little knowledge i got from back when i used
to go to church.

Guys we all know that a god does indeed exist, and his name is Christopher Nolan.

The difference is that there's objective evidence supporting the Big Bang. Things like the Higgs boson and red shift suggest that the Big Bang was very possible. You can have all of the religious experiences you want, but that's not objective evidence and you can't prove it wasn't some sort of biological mind trick; after all, we find what we look for in events.

Thou giveth his neighbor a beer and tell thou neighbor "Mate".