Webb is so much truer to teh comics than raimi

Sexton_Flashheart wrote:

Y'know what...i'm going to unlock this cos i just read the last page and its class watching you guys bitch over spiderman XD

I'm glad you understand what I was trying to tell you last night! Nice one.

Lykos wrote:

Tobey looks as close the comic character as Andy does. Neither are perfect for the role but I believe Tobey had the right personality for it. Looking back at Spidey 2, yeah it could have had a few more wisecracks, 1 seemed to have more, but they were still there. And from what I've heard, a lot of the ones in Amazing Spider-man fall flat on their face.

In the comics Peter's wisecracks aren't that great mate. They are often one-liners and nothing spectacular. You're really over-focusing on a very minor thing.
He's not the Joker. He's Spider-man. He might be young and occasionally a bit immature, but ultimately you care about how he fights the enemies with his super powers.
And I did NOT lol once at any single joke in the Webb trailers because Garfield overreacts. Like "oh you've found my weakness, its small knives".... it's silly. More childish than I recall Spider-man being in the comics.
Bad sense of humour? Is that not subjective?

If you think it's important to see how intelligent Peter is then why aren't you pissed off that Webb makes Peter this rebel that misses class, gets in fights and skateboards? lol It's entirely out of character. At least Raimi made Peter seem very academic and your typical quiet, socially awkward nerd that just gets down to work.

On that note of only reading it for its colourful pages... you are quick to assume Amazing Spider-man will be good from a few minutes of trailer. If anything it is YOU who is attracted to the superficial stuff and not prepared to be open-minded.
And I read through the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy when I was a kid. I'm not just attracted to "colourful pages" but I like depth.

So, when Mecha brings a point it doesn't count ' cause it's "subjective". Yet, you see all that huge blue line? Yeah, that's called SUBJECTIVE.

Also, I find it funny that you use the same arguments as to why it's not true to the comics: "DERP DERP He's a Rebel DERP DERP", but then, whenever Mecha or I bring up OUR OWN POINTS, you're easy to disclaim them and just say: "Is that it? Is that all you got? So few points?" :derp:

Lykos, I am only following by your rules. So, don't be mad, I'm just beating you at your own game.

@Lykos

I'm almost conviced that you don't know shit about the character at all. It seems you mostly grew up with the Tobey version and brain washed you into thinking that's how Spider-Man is suppose to be.

Spider-Man is more than just a guy fighting villains with super powers. If that's all you see in the character then that just proves my point. If I wanted to see a superhero just fight bad guys, I would read a Superman comic instead. Spider-Man isn't like other superheroes, he's not that powerful at all. When Spider-Man is in battle, he relies on his wit and intelligence to fight his enemies. His super powers is just a bonus.

And yes, wise-cracks is important. It's part of Spider-Man's humor. Which plays a big part in the comic books, whether you like it or not. Also being a rebel has nothing to do with intelligence and being socially awkward.

The Tobey Maguire movies Spiderman never won with just his powers, he did use intelligence to take down his enemies.

@Teckno

But it's not done cleverly like in the comic books though. I know I sound like I'm nitpicking, but it's true. It's like Sam Raimi had his heart in the right place, but couldn't put things together well on paper.

This is lol.

I like how you guys are arguing over who is the better Spidey, as if that is what makes one movie better than the other

@Greg Jennings

It does actually.

^^

You're right, the execution of the plot, animation, supporting characters doesn't matter at all.

@Greg Jennings

This isn't The Avengers. The main focus of the movie is Spider-Man. If you can't get the character right then you can't get the story right either.

^^

But Spiderman 1 was a pretty good movie and according to you guys, the character wasn't accurate.

lol Sonji got y'all there. He put Spider-Man on his back.

@Greg Jennings

Well if you don't read the comic books, it's pretty easy to ignore some of the inaccuracies. But because Tobey wasn't all that faithful to the character, the reboot shouldn't have too much trouble topping the original.

Problem with that is, people who grew up with Tobey and never read the comic books aren't going to see it that way. Which is sad because the movie is more accurate to the comic books. Well, it's not THAT accurate, but everything that made Spider-Man (NOT Tobey) a great character for the past 50 years is in this movie.

Oh and don't listen to Lykos, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Greg Jennings wrote:

^^

But Spiderman 1 was a pretty good movie and according to you guys, the character wasn't accurate.

Except: We're not arguing which film is BETTER, only which one is truer to the comics.

Even with that said, Spider-Man 1 was only a decent film, and I'd imagine The Amazing Spider-Man to be better, nonetheless.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Lykos wrote:

Tobey looks as close the comic character as Andy does. Neither are perfect for the role but I believe Tobey had the right personality for it. Looking back at Spidey 2, yeah it could have had a few more wisecracks, 1 seemed to have more, but they were still there. And from what I've heard, a lot of the ones in Amazing Spider-man fall flat on their face.

In the comics Peter's wisecracks aren't that great mate. They are often one-liners and nothing spectacular. You're really over-focusing on a very minor thing.
He's not the Joker. He's Spider-man. He might be young and occasionally a bit immature, but ultimately you care about how he fights the enemies with his super powers.
And I did NOT lol once at any single joke in the Webb trailers because Garfield overreacts. Like "oh you've found my weakness, its small knives".... it's silly. More childish than I recall Spider-man being in the comics.
Bad sense of humour? Is that not subjective?

If you think it's important to see how intelligent Peter is then why aren't you pissed off that Webb makes Peter this rebel that misses class, gets in fights and skateboards? lol It's entirely out of character. At least Raimi made Peter seem very academic and your typical quiet, socially awkward nerd that just gets down to work.

On that note of only reading it for its colourful pages... you are quick to assume Amazing Spider-man will be good from a few minutes of trailer. If anything it is YOU who is attracted to the superficial stuff and not prepared to be open-minded.
And I read through the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy when I was a kid. I'm not just attracted to "colourful pages" but I like depth.

So, when Mecha brings a point it doesn't count ' cause it's "subjective". Yet, you see all that huge blue line? Yeah, that's called SUBJECTIVE.

Also, I find it funny that you use the same arguments as to why it's not true to the comics: "DERP DERP He's a Rebel DERP DERP", but then, whenever Mecha or I bring up OUR OWN POINTS, you're easy to disclaim them and just say: "Is that it? Is that all you got? So few points?" :derp:

Lykos, I am only following by your rules. So, don't be mad, I'm just beating you at your own game.

Oh dear, nothing I said was "subjective". Opinion is subjective, yes, but when we talk about enjoyment, humour and spontaneous responses, that is a different realm of subjective. We are arguing opinions for the most part, yes BUT they are in an objective light. You are very ignorant to not see that.


Yes I make my points but YOU TOO disclaim them because apparently the fact that Peter's personality is ruined doesn't matter when it's at the hands of Webb.

Checkmate.

"Oh dear, nothing I said was "subjective" - Lykos

"Tobey looks as close the comic character as Andy does. Neither are perfect for the role but I believe Tobey had the right personality for it."

"And I did NOT lol once at any single joke in the Webb trailers because Garfield overreacts. Like "oh you've found my weakness, its small knives".... it's silly. More childish than I recall Spider-man being in the comics."

That's not Subjective?

How is his character ruined when he's got ALMOST THE SAME FUCKING PERSONALITY FROM THE COMICS? Yes, he does seem to be a bit of a rebel. Not going to deny that. But, at the same time, he's still the same Wise-cracking, sarcastic, nerd that I, and many others, fell in love with.

Every time Mecha or I bring up our points, you're ignorant enough to complain as to why there are so "few of them". Yet, you keep on bringing up THE SAME FUCKING POINT every single FUCKING TIME.

Also, next time, try not to take "Your opinions" from other people's reviews or articles. Something I've noticed you doing quite often. Quite sad when you can't even back up your own reasoning without resorting to help from elsehwere.

@Lykos

You haven't made any points at all. All you do is nitpick about Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. You have yet to even bring up as to why Tobey Maguire is better for the role. At least we are able to actually defend Andrew Garfield.

Lykos is being lol right now. Objective opinions. Ain't no such thing.

Man, only 2 days more till AWESOMENESS!!

Also, shouldn't this be in the Debate Section?

2 more days til the the world finally sees the REAL web-slinger :-)

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

"Oh dear, nothing I said was "subjective" - Lykos

"Tobey looks as close the comic character as Andy does. Neither are perfect for the role but I believe Tobey had the right personality for it."

"And I did NOT lol once at any single joke in the Webb trailers because Garfield overreacts. Like "oh you've found my weakness, its small knives".... it's silly. More childish than I recall Spider-man being in the comics."

That's not Subjective?

How is his character ruined when he's got ALMOST THE SAME FUCKING PERSONALITY FROM THE COMICS? Yes, he does seem to be a bit of a rebel. Not going to deny that. But, at the same time, he's still the same Wise-cracking, sarcastic, nerd that I, and many others, fell in love with.

Every time Mecha or I bring up our points, you're ignorant enough to complain as to why there are so "few of them". Yet, you keep on bringing up THE SAME FUCKING POINT every single FUCKING TIME.

Also, next time, try not to take "Your opinions" from other people's reviews or articles. Something I've noticed you doing quite often. Quite sad when you can't even back up your own reasoning without resorting to help from elsehwere.

Look I don't want to start arguing over semantics now. It's just losing the whole point here.

Almost the same personality?
Okay

Tobey | Andrew
Goes to lessons on time, seems to be intelligent, academic guy | Skips lessons (not so academic)
Socially awkward, stays out of trouble and works hard | Skateboards, gets into fights before getting spidey powers
Generally quite laid back and chirpy (until third film) | Brooding over his parents all the time
Not as many wisecracks as in the comics | About as many wisecracks as in the comics
Gets bitten in the right place | Gets bitten in the wrong place
Has more accurate suit design | Has really inaccurate suit design
Has a normal looking neck and head (in proportion to body | http://www.thefablife.com/files/2011/07/Spiderman-Andrew-Garfield.jpg
In an action film for guys | In a romantic twilight knock off for girls

And I take my opinions from articles? You think a trailer of a superhero twilight is better than 3 great films by a superb director that has had WAY more awards and is much more well known and is highly regarded in the film industry.

Then again what do you know about film? You just like jumping on the bandwagon of the latest big film. I bet you loved Avatar.