Why Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance will ruin Metal Gear.

Teckno wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

@TRF


Good points. But I still stand by what I previously said; since it's NOTHING like Metal Gear, they should remove that out of the title.

I understand that it's a spin-off and therefore is different. But my main problem is that it seems like a cheap way to gather ineterest from people, and sell millions of copies due to the name alone.

Like you said, it's not even part of the same storyline, nor does it have anything to do with the other MGS games, therefore it SHOULD NOT have the title it has, since it has NOTHING in common, besides the character and title that is.

Looks at it this way; if you replace Raiden with someone else and change the title you have A COMPLETELY NEW IP. You can't say the same about Halo: Wars nor about about most of the spin-offs you listed.

You may not understand it, but for a MGS fan, who has followed the story and supported the games since day 1, this seems like the cheapest way to gather interest and sell.

You're just being stubborn now.

Metal Gear is the universe, the game takes place in this universe therefore the title Metal Gear is applicable. Now let's be smart about this shall we? If they did take out the Metal Gear name and called it something different, people assume it's a new IP all together. But once they play the game and see the underlining similarities between this new titled game and Metal Gear Solid, people will assume the developers lost creativity. That's why it's meant to be a SPIN OFF with the title Metal Gear or else people will think it's totally new IP void of anything in common with the Metal Gear Solid series, which it isn't. It will have stuff in common cause the overall universe will stay the same.

And that criteria to be a new IP is totally retarded. Let's say they replaced it Mario with a made up character called "Rarrr" and changed the title to "Rarrr the adventurer", but the gameplay is exactly the same within the same universe, how the fuck can you call that a new ip? If anything is cheap, your definition of a new IP is.

And it's not going to be cheap if this Metal Gear spin off turns out to be great. If they worked hard and made it fantastic, then you can call it cheap all you want while the rest of us will be enjoying a great game.

That's exactly my point. It's NOT the same gameplay, NOR does it have connection with any other MGS game, NOR does it have any real similarities as far as the concept goes.

You can try to argue all you want, but I, myself, and most other MGS fans are dissapointed with the way Platinum Games are handling the franchise and universe.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Teckno wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

@TRF


Good points. But I still stand by what I previously said; since it's NOTHING like Metal Gear, they should remove that out of the title.

I understand that it's a spin-off and therefore is different. But my main problem is that it seems like a cheap way to gather ineterest from people, and sell millions of copies due to the name alone.

Like you said, it's not even part of the same storyline, nor does it have anything to do with the other MGS games, therefore it SHOULD NOT have the title it has, since it has NOTHING in common, besides the character and title that is.

Looks at it this way; if you replace Raiden with someone else and change the title you have A COMPLETELY NEW IP. You can't say the same about Halo: Wars nor about about most of the spin-offs you listed.

You may not understand it, but for a MGS fan, who has followed the story and supported the games since day 1, this seems like the cheapest way to gather interest and sell.

You're just being stubborn now.

Metal Gear is the universe, the game takes place in this universe therefore the title Metal Gear is applicable. Now let's be smart about this shall we? If they did take out the Metal Gear name and called it something different, people assume it's a new IP all together. But once they play the game and see the underlining similarities between this new titled game and Metal Gear Solid, people will assume the developers lost creativity. That's why it's meant to be a SPIN OFF with the title Metal Gear or else people will think it's totally new IP void of anything in common with the Metal Gear Solid series, which it isn't. It will have stuff in common cause the overall universe will stay the same.

And that criteria to be a new IP is totally retarded. Let's say they replaced it Mario with a made up character called "Rarrr" and changed the title to "Rarrr the adventurer", but the gameplay is exactly the same within the same universe, how the fuck can you call that a new ip? If anything is cheap, your definition of a new IP is.

And it's not going to be cheap if this Metal Gear spin off turns out to be great. If they worked hard and made it fantastic, then you can call it cheap all you want while the rest of us will be enjoying a great game.

That's exactly my point. It's NOT the same gameplay, NOR does it have connection with any other MGS game, NOR does it have any real similarities as far as the concept goes.

You can try to argue all you want, but I, myself, and most other MGS fans are dissapointed with the way Platinum Games are handling the franchise and universe.

Dude already by looking at your arguments its clear that even i know more about MGS then you. You're not a fan at all.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Teckno wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

@TRF


Good points. But I still stand by what I previously said; since it's NOTHING like Metal Gear, they should remove that out of the title.

I understand that it's a spin-off and therefore is different. But my main problem is that it seems like a cheap way to gather ineterest from people, and sell millions of copies due to the name alone.

Like you said, it's not even part of the same storyline, nor does it have anything to do with the other MGS games, therefore it SHOULD NOT have the title it has, since it has NOTHING in common, besides the character and title that is.

Looks at it this way; if you replace Raiden with someone else and change the title you have A COMPLETELY NEW IP. You can't say the same about Halo: Wars nor about about most of the spin-offs you listed.

You may not understand it, but for a MGS fan, who has followed the story and supported the games since day 1, this seems like the cheapest way to gather interest and sell.

You're just being stubborn now.

Metal Gear is the universe, the game takes place in this universe therefore the title Metal Gear is applicable. Now let's be smart about this shall we? If they did take out the Metal Gear name and called it something different, people assume it's a new IP all together. But once they play the game and see the underlining similarities between this new titled game and Metal Gear Solid, people will assume the developers lost creativity. That's why it's meant to be a SPIN OFF with the title Metal Gear or else people will think it's totally new IP void of anything in common with the Metal Gear Solid series, which it isn't. It will have stuff in common cause the overall universe will stay the same.

And that criteria to be a new IP is totally retarded. Let's say they replaced it Mario with a made up character called "Rarrr" and changed the title to "Rarrr the adventurer", but the gameplay is exactly the same within the same universe, how the fuck can you call that a new ip? If anything is cheap, your definition of a new IP is.

And it's not going to be cheap if this Metal Gear spin off turns out to be great. If they worked hard and made it fantastic, then you can call it cheap all you want while the rest of us will be enjoying a great game.

That's exactly my point. It's NOT the same gameplay, NOR does it have connection with any other MGS game, NOR does it have any real similarities as far as the concept goes.

You can try to argue all you want, but I, myself, and most other MGS fans are dissapointed with the way Platinum Games are handling the franchise and universe.

Dude already by looking at your arguments its clear that even i know more about MGS then you. You're not a fan at all.

Tell me then, what happends to Raiden in MGS4?

Who's Big Boss?

What's MGS3 about?

Which timeline is MGS3 taking place in?

Which happens to Old Snake at the end of MGS4?

lawl at trying to act smart

Toxic, go back to Halo and play your games.

You've obviously never even played the first one.

Heck, I'll be amazed if you've even completed any MGS game before

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

YOU don't want a spin-off. Doesn't mean its not worthy of the metal gear franchise.

No. Most fans don't want a spin-off. We want MGS5 instead. That's what we been waiting for. A lot of fans don't even like Raiden to tell you the truth. I was one of the few who gave this game a chance at first. And after seeing the trailer, it's not worthy of the name Metal Gear.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Tell me then, what happends to Raiden in MGS4?

Who's Big Boss?

What's MGS3 about?

Which timeline is MGS3 taking place in?

Which happens to Old Snake at the end of MGS4?

lawl at trying to act smart

Toxic, go back to Halo and play your games.

You've obviously never even played the first one.

Heck, I'll be amazed if you've even completed any MGS game before

Raiden dissapeared in MGS4 after rescuing sunny.

Big boss is the father of solid snake and liquid snake but i still prefer to call him naked snake

The cold war

Old snake attempted suicide

I've played every single MGS besides MGS2, MGS 4 and the NES ones.

You are nothing more then a failure of a debater that tries to get into the bandwagon.

If you were a true metal gear solid fan you would easily see that rising is connected within the universe of the solid franchise and that it includes the same enemies. The only thing thats changed is the gameplay. Halo, metroid and mario have all done that and turned out great so why bitch?

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

YOU don't want a spin-off. Doesn't mean its not worthy of the metal gear franchise.

No. Most fans don't want a spin-off. We want MGS5 instead. That's what we been waiting for. A lot of fans don't even like Raiden to tell you the truth. I was one of the few who gave this game a chance at first. And after seeing the trailer, it's not worthy of the name Metal Gear.

THIS!


Plus, just like what Mecha said, Raiden is actually one of the hated characters in Metal Gear. Which just makes picking him as the protagonist even dumber, especially since his storyline ended already.

I would've been fine with it had they chosen someone else and not turned it into a sword fighting game. Heck, they could still change the genre to something else, but picking exactly this genre and protagonist is just dissapointing to say the least IMO.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

YOU don't want a spin-off. Doesn't mean its not worthy of the metal gear franchise.

No. Most fans don't want a spin-off. We want MGS5 instead. That's what we been waiting for. A lot of fans don't even like Raiden to tell you the truth. I was one of the few who gave this game a chance at first. And after seeing the trailer, it's not worthy of the name Metal Gear.

THIS!


Plus, just like what Mecha said, Raiden is actually one of the hated characters in Metal Gear.

Which just makes picking him as the protagonist even dumber, especially since his storyline ended already.

I would've been fine with it had they chosen someone else and not turned it into a sword fighting game.

Heck, they could still change the genre to something else, but picking exactly this genre and protagonist is just dissapointing to say the least IMO.

Hmmm weird no response for me? Oh wait thats right you're a wannabe fan.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

YOU don't want a spin-off. Doesn't mean its not worthy of the metal gear franchise.

No. Most fans don't want a spin-off. We want MGS5 instead. That's what we been waiting for. A lot of fans don't even like Raiden to tell you the truth. I was one of the few who gave this game a chance at first. And after seeing the trailer, it's not worthy of the name Metal Gear.

THIS!


Plus, just like what Mecha said, Raiden is actually one of the hated characters in Metal Gear.

Which just makes picking him as the protagonist even dumber, especially since his storyline ended already.

I would've been fine with it had they chosen someone else and not turned it into a sword fighting game.

Heck, they could still change the genre to something else, but picking exactly this genre and protagonist is just dissapointing to say the least IMO.

Hmmm weird no response for me? Oh wait thats right you're a wannabe fan.

I find it funny how you can't come up with any arguements so you just resort to your child-ish " Oh, but you're not a fan, and I know more about MGS, even though I never completed a MGS game before"

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Teckno wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

@TRF


Good points. But I still stand by what I previously said; since it's NOTHING like Metal Gear, they should remove that out of the title.

I understand that it's a spin-off and therefore is different. But my main problem is that it seems like a cheap way to gather ineterest from people, and sell millions of copies due to the name alone.

Like you said, it's not even part of the same storyline, nor does it have anything to do with the other MGS games, therefore it SHOULD NOT have the title it has, since it has NOTHING in common, besides the character and title that is.

Looks at it this way; if you replace Raiden with someone else and change the title you have A COMPLETELY NEW IP. You can't say the same about Halo: Wars nor about about most of the spin-offs you listed.

You may not understand it, but for a MGS fan, who has followed the story and supported the games since day 1, this seems like the cheapest way to gather interest and sell.

You're just being stubborn now.

Metal Gear is the universe, the game takes place in this universe therefore the title Metal Gear is applicable. Now let's be smart about this shall we? If they did take out the Metal Gear name and called it something different, people assume it's a new IP all together. But once they play the game and see the underlining similarities between this new titled game and Metal Gear Solid, people will assume the developers lost creativity. That's why it's meant to be a SPIN OFF with the title Metal Gear or else people will think it's totally new IP void of anything in common with the Metal Gear Solid series, which it isn't. It will have stuff in common cause the overall universe will stay the same.

And that criteria to be a new IP is totally retarded. Let's say they replaced it Mario with a made up character called "Rarrr" and changed the title to "Rarrr the adventurer", but the gameplay is exactly the same within the same universe, how the fuck can you call that a new ip? If anything is cheap, your definition of a new IP is.

And it's not going to be cheap if this Metal Gear spin off turns out to be great. If they worked hard and made it fantastic, then you can call it cheap all you want while the rest of us will be enjoying a great game.

That's exactly my point. It's NOT the same gameplay, NOR does it have connection with any other MGS game, NOR does it have any real similarities as far as the concept goes.

You can try to argue all you want, but I, myself, and most other MGS fans are dissapointed with the way Platinum Games are handling the franchise and universe.

Dude, the game was just announced for God's sake. How would you know there wouldn't be any connection. Since we know it's going to be in the Metal Gear universe, we know it will have some underlying connection.

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

YOU don't want a spin-off. Doesn't mean its not worthy of the metal gear franchise.

No. Most fans don't want a spin-off. We want MGS5 instead. That's what we been waiting for. A lot of fans don't even like Raiden to tell you the truth. I was one of the few who gave this game a chance at first. And after seeing the trailer, it's not worthy of the name Metal Gear.

Do you know how many developers do two games at once? Especially since this a spin off, it most likely won't subtract development time from the real Metal Gear Solid. And who are you to say it's not worthy of the name? This is a prime example of people who judge wayyyyyyyyy to early. You're attacking a game that's just been announced.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

YOU don't want a spin-off. Doesn't mean its not worthy of the metal gear franchise.

No. Most fans don't want a spin-off. We want MGS5 instead. That's what we been waiting for. A lot of fans don't even like Raiden to tell you the truth. I was one of the few who gave this game a chance at first. And after seeing the trailer, it's not worthy of the name Metal Gear.

THIS!


Plus, just like what Mecha said, Raiden is actually one of the hated characters in Metal Gear.

Which just makes picking him as the protagonist even dumber, especially since his storyline ended already.

I would've been fine with it had they chosen someone else and not turned it into a sword fighting game.

Heck, they could still change the genre to something else, but picking exactly this genre and protagonist is just dissapointing to say the least IMO.

Hmmm weird no response for me? Oh wait thats right you're a wannabe fan.

I find it funny how you can't come up with any arguements so you just resort to your child-ish " Oh, but you're not a fan, and I know more about MGS, even though I never completed a MGS game before"

Actually i did come up with arguments. You were the one that didn't come up with argument because you didn't want to response to me even tho i answered all your basic MGS questions every average MGS player knows. >_>
Also you imply that i never completed a MGS before. Looks like someone likes to assume things of bullshit because i did complete MGS1 (shit was difficult) and MGS3. Please atleast put some effort into your statements.

@Teckno

Well sorry for giving my honest opinion. But that's what I think after seeing the trailer. What you want me say? The game is going to be great because it carries the name Metal Gear? I wasn't impressed wth the trailer. The game could very well be good, but hardly something to get excited about it.

You made your opinion come of as fact.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Tell me then, what happends to Raiden in MGS4?

Who's Big Boss?

What's MGS3 about?

Which timeline is MGS3 taking place in?

Which happens to Old Snake at the end of MGS4?

lawl at trying to act smart

Toxic, go back to Halo and play your games.

You've obviously never even played the first one.

Heck, I'll be amazed if you've even completed any MGS game before

Raiden dissapeared in MGS4 after rescuing sunny.

Big boss is the father of solid snake and liquid snake but i still prefer to call him naked snake

The cold war

Old snake attempted suicide

I've played every single MGS besides MGS2, MGS 4 and the NES ones.

You are nothing more then a failure of a debater that tries to get into the bandwagon.

If you were a true metal gear solid fan you would easily see that rising is connected within the universe of the solid franchise and that it includes the same enemies. The only thing thats changed is the gameplay. Halo, metroid and mario have all done that and turned out great so why bitch?

Lawl, I honestly didn't notice your respond, my bad

Yes, Toxic. but then again, like I've previosuly stated, it's NOT that it's a different genre all together, it's that they're removing the "Stealth" from MGS and completely abandon it, even though Stealth is what MGS is synonymous with.

At least in the Halo spin-off it was still about shooting and killing the covenant, while in Rising they completely abandoned what MGS is known for.

THAT'S my problem with it, not that they're turining it into a new genre.

BTW, how am I trying to "get into the arguement" if I was one of the first ones to EVEN POST AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GAME?!

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Tell me then, what happends to Raiden in MGS4?

Who's Big Boss?

What's MGS3 about?

Which timeline is MGS3 taking place in?

Which happens to Old Snake at the end of MGS4?

lawl at trying to act smart

Toxic, go back to Halo and play your games.

You've obviously never even played the first one.

Heck, I'll be amazed if you've even completed any MGS game before

Raiden dissapeared in MGS4 after rescuing sunny.

Big boss is the father of solid snake and liquid snake but i still prefer to call him naked snake

The cold war

Old snake attempted suicide

I've played every single MGS besides MGS2, MGS 4 and the NES ones.

You are nothing more then a failure of a debater that tries to get into the bandwagon.

If you were a true metal gear solid fan you would easily see that rising is connected within the universe of the solid franchise and that it includes the same enemies. The only thing thats changed is the gameplay. Halo, metroid and mario have all done that and turned out great so why bitch?

Lawl, I honestly didn't notice your respond, my bad

Yes, Toxic. but then again, like I've previosuly stated, it's NOT that it's a different genre all together, it's that they're removing the "Stealth" from MGS and completely abandon it, even though Stealth is what MGSis synonymous with.

At least in the Halo spin-off it was still about shooting and killing the covenant, while in Rising they completely abandoned what MGS is known for.

THAT'S my problem with it, not that they're turining it into a new genre.

BTW, how am I trying to "get into the arguement" if I was one of the first ones to EVEN POST AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GAME?!

Key letter in that statement. Synonymous with Metal Gear SOLID, doesn't mean it has to be synonymous with a spin off.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Tell me then, what happends to Raiden in MGS4?

Who's Big Boss?

What's MGS3 about?

Which timeline is MGS3 taking place in?

Which happens to Old Snake at the end of MGS4?

lawl at trying to act smart

Toxic, go back to Halo and play your games.

You've obviously never even played the first one.

Heck, I'll be amazed if you've even completed any MGS game before

Raiden dissapeared in MGS4 after rescuing sunny.

Big boss is the father of solid snake and liquid snake but i still prefer to call him naked snake

The cold war

Old snake attempted suicide

I've played every single MGS besides MGS2, MGS 4 and the NES ones.

You are nothing more then a failure of a debater that tries to get into the bandwagon.

If you were a true metal gear solid fan you would easily see that rising is connected within the universe of the solid franchise and that it includes the same enemies. The only thing thats changed is the gameplay. Halo, metroid and mario have all done that and turned out great so why bitch?

Maybe you're mixing things up but Raidan was in hospital at the end of MGS 4 and made up/re-united with Rose and his son after hearing the truth about why she married Colonel Campbell.

It's a spinoff. You're complaining about finally getting to see the viewpoint of one of the most interesting characters in the MG universe.

EDIT: Kojima is giving you guys something to play while he is developing MGS5 and you guys are complaining.

EDIT2: Wasn't it confirmed that this is Raiden's story between MGS3 AND MGS4? Seems like it's connected to me.

^ I thought it was between MGS2 and MGS4

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

Mecha wrote:

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

I guess that means it well suck. Oh well guys we gave it our all but I think we lost this argument.

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

I guess that means it well suck. Oh well guys we gave it our all but I think we lost this argument.

As a Metal Gear title, yes. As a hack and slash game, maybe not.

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

I guess that means it well suck. Oh well guys we gave it our all but I think we lost this argument.

As a Metal Gear title, yes. As a hack and slash game, maybe not.

Metal Gear is a franchise, not a genre. This is where your argument ultimately fails.

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

I guess that means it well suck. Oh well guys we gave it our all but I think we lost this argument.

As a Metal Gear title, yes. As a hack and slash game, maybe not.

Metal Gear is a franchise, not a genre. This is where your argument ultimately fails.

When people think of Metal Gear, they think about stealth.

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

I guess that means it well suck. Oh well guys we gave it our all but I think we lost this argument.

As a Metal Gear title, yes. As a hack and slash game, maybe not.

Metal Gear is a franchise, not a genre. This is where your argument ultimately fails.

When people think of Metal Gear, they think about stealth.

Right, and? I'm sure when the first couple mario games out people only thought platformer. Now it's party, racing, and so many more.

Teckno wrote:

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

I guess that means it well suck. Oh well guys we gave it our all but I think we lost this argument.

As a Metal Gear title, yes. As a hack and slash game, maybe not.

Metal Gear is a franchise, not a genre. This is where your argument ultimately fails.

When people think of Metal Gear, they think about stealth.

Right, and? I'm sure when the first couple mario games out people only thought platformer. Now it's party, racing, and so many more.

Except Metal Gear hasn't been made into anything other than stealth so far.

Mecha wrote:

Teckno wrote:

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

It was later confirmed that it takes place after MGS4.

I guess that means it well suck. Oh well guys we gave it our all but I think we lost this argument.

As a Metal Gear title, yes. As a hack and slash game, maybe not.

Metal Gear is a franchise, not a genre. This is where your argument ultimately fails.

When people think of Metal Gear, they think about stealth.

Right, and? I'm sure when the first couple mario games out people only thought platformer. Now it's party, racing, and so many more.

Except Metal Gear hasn't been made into anything other than stealth so far.

You could play MGS4 as a shooter.