Why Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance will ruin Metal Gear.

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1214596p1.html

IMO, I agree. Rising just looks awful and not a metal gear game at all.

What Duke said.

Plus, all you need to do is remove the "Metal Gear" from the title, and replace Raiden with some other queer and you have a totally new franchise

Well the game is not canon to the story so it won't make Snake seem "insignificant". It has zero connection to the universe Raidan was in previously, (MGS 2, MGS 4).

Since the changed the mechanics from Technu to Bayonetta I lost a lot of interest in it.

Its called a spin-off. Personally i'm glad that they are finally making a game again that doesn't have a cutscene every 2 steps.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Its called a spin-off. Personally i'm glad that they are finally making a game again that doesn't have a cutscene every 2 steps.

So, you're glad they're turning one of, if not THE best stealth games into a pointless sword fighting game, that's about cutting and gutting?....

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Its called a spin-off. Personally i'm glad that they are finally making a game again that doesn't have a cutscene every 2 steps.

That's easy for you to say. You're not even a fan.

How would like it if they made a hack and slash Halo game that has nothing with the spartans?

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Its called a spin-off. Personally i'm glad that they are finally making a game again that doesn't have a cutscene every 2 steps.

That's easy for you to say. You're not even a fan.

How would like it if they made a hack and slash Halo game that has nothing with the spartans?

I even enjoyed halo wars.........
Its all a matter of if the game developer can handle the IP. And platinum games is the best one to do this.

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Its called a spin-off. Personally i'm glad that they are finally making a game again that doesn't have a cutscene every 2 steps.

That's easy for you to say. You're not even a fan.

How would like it if they made a hack and slash Halo game that has nothing with the spartans?

I even enjoyed halo wars.........
Its all a matter of if the game developer can handle the IP. And platinum games is the best one to do this.

So you wouldn't mind it if they removed the guns from Halo and gave you swords instead, while they replaced the spartans with Marines, and put the game in a WW2 military setting, where you'd be fighting Adolf Hitler and his army of queers?

Metal Gear is the universe, Solid is the franchise, Raising is a spin-off.
Saying this game will ruin MGS is like saying a Luigi's Mansion will ruin Mario.

Everything Platinum Games have touched so far has been stellar.

Padders wrote:

Metal Gear is the universe, Solid is the franchise, Raising is a spin-off.
Saying this game will ruin MGS is like saying a Luigi's Mansion will ruin Mario.

Everything Platinum Games have touched so far has been stellar.

Fucking this.

Jesus Christ, give the game a chance people.

Padders wrote:

Metal Gear is the universe, Solid is the franchise, Raising is a spin-off.
Saying this game will ruin MGS is like saying a Luigi's Mansion will ruin Mario.

Everything Platinum Games have touched so far has been stellar.

The truth my friends.

Padders already took the words out of my mouth. Metal Gear is the universe the game takes place in, that's why it's called Metal Gear Rising and not Bayonetta 2 or something.

I don't understand why haters are putting so much emphasis on the title of the game. Whether it'll be called "Metal Gear" or "PileOfShit" the content is ultimately what it will be judged by.

BTW, a hack and slash Halo spin-off would be fucking epic if done right.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

So you wouldn't mind it if they removed the guns from Halo and gave you swords instead, while they replaced the spartans with Marines, and put the game in a WW2 military setting, where you'd be fighting Adolf Hitler and his army of queers?

Then it wouldn't even be a Halo game because it would have absolutely zero connection to the story. Revengeance has a connection. The article's arguments are weak.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Toxicmaniac wrote:

Its called a spin-off. Personally i'm glad that they are finally making a game again that doesn't have a cutscene every 2 steps.

That's easy for you to say. You're not even a fan.

How would like it if they made a hack and slash Halo game that has nothing with the spartans?

I even enjoyed halo wars.........
Its all a matter of if the game developer can handle the IP. And platinum games is the best one to do this.

So you wouldn't mind it if they removed the guns from Halo and gave you swords instead, while they replaced the spartans with Marines, and put the game in a WW2 military setting, where you'd be fighting Adolf Hitler and his army of queers?

The difference is that rising is still set in the same universe and provide the same kind of enemies. Hell even metal gear ray was shown in that trailer..... So how is that comparable with halo turning all WW2? Do you have any knowledge of the fucking MGS universe in general?

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

Then don't buy Rising. Considering it's being handled by a different dev, I doubt Rising is cutting into the development time of a "real Metal Gear" game.

If Platinum Games was doing an actual Metal Gear Solid game, then you'd just be bitching about the fact that it's not being made by Kojima.

Game will be awesome.

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

Then don't buy Rising. Considering it's being handled by a different dev, I doubt Rising is cutting into the development time of a "real Metal Gear" game.

If Platinum Games was doing an actual Metal Gear Solid game, then you'd just be bitching about the fact that it's not being made by Kojima.

Nah. I'm still going to buy it because I'm a completist, and a hack and slash fan.

TRF wrote:

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

So you wouldn't mind it if they removed the guns from Halo and gave you swords instead, while they replaced the spartans with Marines, and put the game in a WW2 military setting, where you'd be fighting Adolf Hitler and his army of queers?

Then it wouldn't even be a Halo game because it would have absolutely zero connection to the story. Revengeance has a connection. The article's arguments are weak.

The problem is that "Metal Gear" is what's synonymous with the Stealth genre.

Taking the Metal Gear universe and turning it into a pointless Hack 'n' Slash sword fighting game is not only the worst thing that could happen, but also, it's like taking Mass Effect and turning it away from the RPG genre and taking it into something that's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

It's not just that they're changing the genre into a different one. it's that THE SWORD FIGHTING GENRE IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THE STEALTH GENRE. Therefore, not only putting it into that, but also using Raiden (whom has already finished his storyline) is the dumbest and cheapest thing you could do.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

The problem is that "Metal Gear" is what's synonymous with the Stealth genre.

Taking the Metal Gear universe and turning it into a pointless Hack 'n' Slash sword fighting game is not only the worst thing that could happen, but also, it's like taking Mass Effect and turning it away from the RPG genre and taking it into something that's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

It's not just that they're changing the genre into a different one. it's that THE SWORD FIGHTING GENRE IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THE STEALTH GENRE. Therefore, not only putting it into that, but also using Raiden (whom has already finished his storyline) is the dumbest and cheapest thing you could do.

Dude, it's a spin-off, and it's made by a different dev so it's not going to affect whatever new Metal Gear game comes next. This isn't the first time a spin-off has changed the genre. Halo Wars, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Pokémon Ranger, Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, Mario Party, Mario Kart, the Mario sports games, hell, Mario itself is a spin-off of Donkey Kong.

I can understand being upset if Revengeance shifted the focus of the whole series, but it's not so there's really nothing to worry about. It's just another game. No one's forcing you to play it, and, as stated before, it's not going to affect the development of future Metal Gear games.

Mecha wrote:

Thing is, we don't want a spin-off. We want a REAL Metal Gear game. Not some hack and slash game that isn't even worthy of the name Metal Gear. Despite taking place in the same universe. If I wanted to play a hack and slash game, I would play Devil May Cry instead.

YOU don't want a spin-off. Doesn't mean its not worthy of the metal gear franchise.

@TRF


Good points. But I still stand by what I previously said; since it's NOTHING like Metal Gear, they should remove that out of the title.

I understand that it's a spin-off and therefore is different. But my main problem is that it seems like a cheap way to gather ineterest from people, and sell millions of copies due to the name alone.

Like you said, it's not even part of the same storyline, nor does it have anything to do with the other MGS games, therefore it SHOULD NOT have the title it has, since it has NOTHING in common, besides the character and title that is.

Looks at it this way; if you replace Raiden with someone else and change the title you have A COMPLETELY NEW IP. You can't say the same about Halo: Wars nor about about most of the spin-offs you listed.

You may not understand it, but for a MGS fan, who has followed the story and supported the games since day 1, this seems like the cheapest way to gather interest and sell.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

@TRF


Good points. But I still stand by what I previously said; since it's NOTHING like Metal Gear, they should remove that out of the title.

I understand that it's a spin-off and therefore is different. But my main problem is that it seems like a cheap way to gather ineterest from people, and sell millions of copies due to the name alone.

Like you said, it's not even part of the same storyline, nor does it have anything to do with the other MGS games, therefore it SHOULD NOT have the title it has, since it has NOTHING in common, besides the character and title that is.

Looks at it this way; if you replace Raiden with someone else and change the title you have A COMPLETELY NEW IP. You can't say the same about Halo: Wars nor about about most of the spin-offs you listed.

You may not understand it, but for a MGS fan, who has followed the story and supported the games since day 1, this seems like the cheapest way to gather interest and sell.

It has alot of enemies and the universe itself in common.

RamboOnRedBull wrote:

@TRF


Good points. But I still stand by what I previously said; since it's NOTHING like Metal Gear, they should remove that out of the title.

I understand that it's a spin-off and therefore is different. But my main problem is that it seems like a cheap way to gather ineterest from people, and sell millions of copies due to the name alone.

Like you said, it's not even part of the same storyline, nor does it have anything to do with the other MGS games, therefore it SHOULD NOT have the title it has, since it has NOTHING in common, besides the character and title that is.

Looks at it this way; if you replace Raiden with someone else and change the title you have A COMPLETELY NEW IP. You can't say the same about Halo: Wars nor about about most of the spin-offs you listed.

You may not understand it, but for a MGS fan, who has followed the story and supported the games since day 1, this seems like the cheapest way to gather interest and sell.

You're just being stubborn now.

Metal Gear is the universe, the game takes place in this universe therefore the title Metal Gear is applicable. Now let's be smart about this shall we? If they did take out the Metal Gear name and called it something different, people assume it's a new IP all together. But once they play the game and see the underlining similarities between this new titled game and Metal Gear Solid, people will assume the developers lost creativity. That's why it's meant to be a SPIN OFF with the title Metal Gear or else people will think it's totally new IP void of anything in common with the Metal Gear Solid series, which it isn't. It will have stuff in common cause the overall universe will stay the same.

And that criteria to be a new IP is totally retarded. Let's say they replaced it Mario with a made up character called "Rarrr" and changed the title to "Rarrr the adventurer", but the gameplay is exactly the same within the same universe, how the fuck can you call that a new ip? If anything is cheap, your definition of a new IP is.

And it's not going to be cheap if this Metal Gear spin off turns out to be great. If they worked hard and made it fantastic, then you can call it cheap all you want while the rest of us will be enjoying a great game.