Xbox One without Kinect - would you buy?

Who wouldn't?

-Better exclusives than PS4
-Better online experience than PS4
-More features than PS4

Nope. Still wouldn't buy ONE. I'll just stick with the superior console, the PS4.

Mecha wrote:

Nope. Still wouldn't buy ONE. I'll just stick with the superior console, the PS4.

I have the feeling that the PS4 could've been the Wii of this (new-er) gen, and you'd still buy it.

No, but I would consider it.

Maybe. Just wish they had more games I'm interested in that aren't also on PC.

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

Who wouldn't?

-Better exclusives than PS4
-Better online experience than PS4
-More features than PS4

-subjective
-elaborate
-elaborate

Ignore Lykos. He's just troll baiting to make things more active around here.

Not until I have a PS4, first.

Teckno wrote:

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

Who wouldn't?

-Better exclusives than PS4
-Better online experience than PS4
-More features than PS4

-subjective
-elaborate
-elaborate

-There is no objective way of saying whether a game is better, but you can create a convincing argument if you take in account the reviews of the game...in which case X1 has more higher rated games (I'm speaking retail, PS4 can have the best indie game award for what that's worth)

-Firstly, PSN goes down more often. PSN suffers from more lag. PSN has WAY less dedicated servers. PSN is less streamlined. Sure it's got cross game chat now. That's the only area where the two can somewhat rival each other. Either way Xbox Live is the best online gaming experience, and that includes keeping Steam in consideration!

-Obviously some of these are also available on PS4.... some

Online Multiplayer
Party Chat
Video Chat
Matchmaking
SkyDrive/ Unlimited Cloud Storage
Skype
SmartMatch (improved version of matchmaking)
Game DVR
One Guide
Games With Gold [upcoming?]
Amazon.com Instant Video
AOL On
AT&T Uverse
Avatar Kinect
BLIP.TV
C|Net
CinemaNOW
Comedy Central: Stand-Up
Crackle
Crunchyroll
Dailymotion
Disney
EPIX
ESPN
Facebook
Flixter
Fox Broadcast
Gametrailers
Gamespot TV
HBO GO
Hulu Plus
IGN
iHeartRadio
Internet Explorer
Karaoke
Last.fm
Machinima
Manga Entertainment
MAXIM
MLB.tv
MSN with MSNBC
MTV
Mustang Customizer
Muzu.TV
NBA Game Time
NBC News
Neon Alley
NETFLIX
NFL
NHL Game Center
Nick
OneBeat
Paramount Movies
Pizza Hut
PopcornFlix
Redbox Instant by Verizon
Revision3
Rhapsody
SkyGO
Slacker Radio
SnagFilms
Sony Pictures
Sports Picks
SyFy
Telemundo
TMZ
Toys “R” Us
Twitch.TV
Twitter
UFC On Xbox Live
Uvideos
Verizon FIOS TV
Vevo
Vimeo
Vudu
WSJ Live
WWE
Xbox Music
Xbox Tournaments
Xfinity
Youtube

Lykos is the new general mld.

PS4 lets me play crossplay Final Fantasy XIV with PC players. Can Xbox One do that? No, since Xbox Live is a closed system.

Probably around 80% of Xbox One's features aren't available outside the US. It is a system made by Americans, for Americans.

Lykos got owned.

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

Teckno wrote:

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

Who wouldn't?

-Better exclusives than PS4
-Better online experience than PS4
-More features than PS4

-subjective
-elaborate
-elaborate

-There is no objective way of saying whether a game is better, but you can create a convincing argument if you take in account the reviews of the game...in which case X1 has more higher rated games (I'm speaking retail, PS4 can have the best indie game award for what that's worth)

-Firstly, PSN goes down more often. PSN suffers from more lag. PSN has WAY less dedicated servers. PSN is less streamlined. Sure it's got cross game chat now. That's the only area where the two can somewhat rival each other. Either way Xbox Live is the best online gaming experience, and that includes keeping Steam in consideration!

-Obviously some of these are also available on PS4.... some

Online Multiplayer
Party Chat
Video Chat
Matchmaking
SkyDrive/ Unlimited Cloud Storage
Skype
SmartMatch (improved version of matchmaking)
Game DVR
One Guide
Games With Gold [upcoming?]
Amazon.com Instant Video
AOL On
AT&T Uverse
Avatar Kinect
BLIP.TV
C|Net
CinemaNOW
Comedy Central: Stand-Up
Crackle
Crunchyroll
Dailymotion
Disney
EPIX
ESPN
Facebook
Flixter
Fox Broadcast
Gametrailers
Gamespot TV
HBO GO
Hulu Plus
IGN
iHeartRadio
Internet Explorer
Karaoke
Last.fm
Machinima
Manga Entertainment
MAXIM
MLB.tv
MSN with MSNBC
MTV
Mustang Customizer
Muzu.TV
NBA Game Time
NBC News
Neon Alley
NETFLIX
NFL
NHL Game Center
Nick
OneBeat
Paramount Movies
Pizza Hut
PopcornFlix
Redbox Instant by Verizon
Revision3
Rhapsody
SkyGO
Slacker Radio
SnagFilms
Sony Pictures
Sports Picks
SyFy
Telemundo
TMZ
Toys “R” Us
Twitch.TV
Twitter
UFC On Xbox Live
Uvideos
Verizon FIOS TV
Vevo
Vimeo
Vudu
WSJ Live
WWE
Xbox Music
Xbox Tournaments
Xfinity
Youtube

-to each his own
- PSN going down more often? Are you still caught up about that whole hacking fiasco years back? This is also PS4 PSN we are talking about, I haven't heard of any major incident. PSN suffers from more lag? Care to prove that or are you just making it up? As for dedicated servers, again, please show me a real source.

Also I can't take that list seriously for multiple obvious reasons.

Teckno wrote:

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

Teckno wrote:

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

Who wouldn't?

-Better exclusives than PS4
-Better online experience than PS4
-More features than PS4

-subjective
-elaborate
-elaborate

-There is no objective way of saying whether a game is better, but you can create a convincing argument if you take in account the reviews of the game...in which case X1 has more higher rated games (I'm speaking retail, PS4 can have the best indie game award for what that's worth)

-Firstly, PSN goes down more often. PSN suffers from more lag. PSN has WAY less dedicated servers. PSN is less streamlined. Sure it's got cross game chat now. That's the only area where the two can somewhat rival each other. Either way Xbox Live is the best online gaming experience, and that includes keeping Steam in consideration!

-Obviously some of these are also available on PS4.... some

Online Multiplayer
Party Chat
Video Chat
Matchmaking
SkyDrive/ Unlimited Cloud Storage
Skype
SmartMatch (improved version of matchmaking)
Game DVR
One Guide
Games With Gold [upcoming?]
Amazon.com Instant Video
AOL On
AT&T Uverse
Avatar Kinect
BLIP.TV
C|Net
CinemaNOW
Comedy Central: Stand-Up
Crackle
Crunchyroll
Dailymotion
Disney
EPIX
ESPN
Facebook
Flixter
Fox Broadcast
Gametrailers
Gamespot TV
HBO GO
Hulu Plus
IGN
iHeartRadio
Internet Explorer
Karaoke
Last.fm
Machinima
Manga Entertainment
MAXIM
MLB.tv
MSN with MSNBC
MTV
Mustang Customizer
Muzu.TV
NBA Game Time
NBC News
Neon Alley
NETFLIX
NFL
NHL Game Center
Nick
OneBeat
Paramount Movies
Pizza Hut
PopcornFlix
Redbox Instant by Verizon
Revision3
Rhapsody
SkyGO
Slacker Radio
SnagFilms
Sony Pictures
Sports Picks
SyFy
Telemundo
TMZ
Toys “R” Us
Twitch.TV
Twitter
UFC On Xbox Live
Uvideos
Verizon FIOS TV
Vevo
Vimeo
Vudu
WSJ Live
WWE
Xbox Music
Xbox Tournaments
Xfinity
Youtube

Also I can't take that list seriously for multiple obvious reasons.

What? We gotta have our Toys R Us at home!

For normal people, having a games console that plays well with your media center isn't actually a bad thing. Having all your entertainment connected to one input makes the Xbox One feel more next-gen despite it having similar hardware to its competition.

Unlike most people on the internet, I'm keeping an open mind. I'd prefer to keep Kinect even if I'm not currently sold on it. Voice commands work well under the right conditions (quiet environment) and I feel like developers will write some interesting software for the Kinect down the line.

A traditional console like the PS4 isn't a deal breaker by any means. My favorite games tend to be available on both systems so unless it'll come down to perceived value of the hardware in terms of which system I'll go for.

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

PS4 lets me play crossplay Final Fantasy XIV with PC players. Can Xbox One do that? No, since Xbox Live is a closed system.

Probably around 80% of Xbox One's features aren't available outside the US. It is a system made by Americans, for Americans.

lol faggot spouting shit.

You never played Shadowrun on 360 did you? DERP

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

PS4 lets me play crossplay Final Fantasy XIV with PC players. Can Xbox One do that? No, since Xbox Live is a closed system.

Probably around 80% of Xbox One's features aren't available outside the US. It is a system made by Americans, for Americans.

lol faggot spouting shit.

You never played Shadowrun on 360 did you? DERP

Shadowrun is fucking shit

Fuck off troll

Teckno wrote:

-to each his own
- PSN going down more often? Are you still caught up about that whole hacking fiasco years back? This is also PS4 PSN we are talking about, I haven't heard of any major incident. PSN suffers from more lag? Care to prove that or are you just making it up? As for dedicated servers, again, please show me a real source.

Also I can't take that list seriously for multiple obvious reasons. [/quote]

-to each his own... lol don't deny the truth.
-PSN to this day STILL goes down more often than live. My housemate had loads of issues with it on his ps3 and I still have issues with it on my Vita- and not just on this connection. Not as bad as before, but still happening. Live is almost never down. Fact. Don't deny it because it is simply fact. Far stabler. Nothing to do with hacking in the past.
The lag claim is from my experience and just about everybody elses who is not a fanboy and has played on both.


XBOX ONE: 300,000 dedicated servers. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-microsoft-makes-the-case-for-xbox-ones-300-000-server-cloud-but-what-do-developers-think

Archduke wrote:

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

PS4 lets me play crossplay Final Fantasy XIV with PC players. Can Xbox One do that? No, since Xbox Live is a closed system.

Probably around 80% of Xbox One's features aren't available outside the US. It is a system made by Americans, for Americans.

lol faggot spouting shit.

You never played Shadowrun on 360 did you? DERP

Shadowrun is fucking shit

Fuck off troll

Good or shit.

You could play against PC gamers.

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

PS4 lets me play crossplay Final Fantasy XIV with PC players. Can Xbox One do that? No, since Xbox Live is a closed system.

Probably around 80% of Xbox One's features aren't available outside the US. It is a system made by Americans, for Americans.

lol faggot spouting shit.

You never played Shadowrun on 360 did you? DERP

There have been exceptions in the pass but within certain requirements. The reason why Shadowrun (made by Microsoft Studios) was cross-platform play because both 360 and PC versions uses Games For Windows/Xbox Live servers. Final Fantasy XIV director said that one of the main reasons why FFXIV is not on Xbox 360 and One because Windows/Xbox Live is pretty much a closed system and didn't want to make a separate server just for Xbox users. The Elder Scrolls Online isn't supporting cross-platform play, so that is two versions dead on arrival.

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

-to each his own... lol don't deny the truth.
-PSN to this day STILL goes down more often than live. My housemate had loads of issues with it on his ps3 and I still have issues with it on my Vita- and not just on this connection. Not as bad as before, but still happening. Live is almost never down. Fact. Don't deny it because it is simply fact. Far stabler. Nothing to do with hacking in the past.
The lag claim is from my experience and just about everybody elses who is not a fanboy and has played on both.


XBOX ONE: 300,000 dedicated servers. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-microsoft-makes-the-case-for-xbox-ones-300-000-server-cloud-but-what-do-developers-think

-The truth of opinion?
-Ahhh yea, personal experience anecdote. Totally legitimate argument.
-re 2nd point. Just cause you label something as fact, doesn't mean it's fucking fact.

Here is an important excerpt from your source.

"I can spin up 10,000 virtual servers per host. They would just all suck. Saying 300k when they are virtual is a lie."
The Witness developer Jonathan Blow

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

PS4 lets me play crossplay Final Fantasy XIV with PC players. Can Xbox One do that? No, since Xbox Live is a closed system.

Probably around 80% of Xbox One's features aren't available outside the US. It is a system made by Americans, for Americans.

lol faggot spouting shit.

You never played Shadowrun on 360 did you? DERP

There have been exceptions in the pass but within certain requirements. The reason why Shadowrun (made by Microsoft Studios) was cross-platform play because both 360 and PC versions uses Games For Windows/Xbox Live servers. Final Fantasy XIV director said that one of the main reasons why FFXIV is not on Xbox 360 and One because Windows/Xbox Live is pretty much a closed system and didn't want to make a separate server just for Xbox users. The Elder Scrolls Online isn't supporting cross-platform play, so that is two versions dead on arrival.

One minor correction:

It's a Microsoft policy, not a technical issue, that is preventing MMORPG developers from allowing cross-platform play.

MMORPGs on consoles are a niche anyway. If the demand for the game was high enough then Microsoft would probably drop that policy. Their audience aren't really big on Japanese themed games. It's a wonder how Final Fantasy sells decently at all on Xbox.

@Lykos

PSN does not lag for me. I don't really like PSN. But it does not lag for me.

The_Biotic_God wrote:

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

Sawed-Off_Orc wrote:

2Sugoi2Die wrote:

PS4 lets me play crossplay Final Fantasy XIV with PC players. Can Xbox One do that? No, since Xbox Live is a closed system.

Probably around 80% of Xbox One's features aren't available outside the US. It is a system made by Americans, for Americans.

lol faggot spouting shit.

You never played Shadowrun on 360 did you? DERP

There have been exceptions in the pass but within certain requirements. The reason why Shadowrun (made by Microsoft Studios) was cross-platform play because both 360 and PC versions uses Games For Windows/Xbox Live servers. Final Fantasy XIV director said that one of the main reasons why FFXIV is not on Xbox 360 and One because Windows/Xbox Live is pretty much a closed system and didn't want to make a separate server just for Xbox users. The Elder Scrolls Online isn't supporting cross-platform play, so that is two versions dead on arrival.

One minor correction:

It's a Microsoft policy, not a technical issue, that is preventing MMORPG developers from allowing cross-platform play.

MMORPGs on consoles are a niche anyway. If the demand for the game was high enough then Microsoft would probably drop that policy. Their audience aren't really big on Japanese themed games. It's a wonder how Final Fantasy sells decently at all on Xbox.

@Lykos

PSN does not lag for me. I don't really like PSN. But it does not lag for me.

Thank you for pointing that out.

Final Fantasy XIII sold well on 360 because it is the first Final Fantasy game for next generation system and the first Final Fantasy game to appear on 360 (If you don't count XI Online). Same thing will happen to XV.

I was leaning towards PS4 but it's exclusive line up out and upcoming sucks. Still on the fence for both. Probably won't buy either until FFXV comes out.