Spiderman trilogy vs Amazing Spiderman

What we have established is that Jack's problems with the Spider-man trilogy is that Peter Parker gets upset about his uncle getting killed and it all being his fault, that the secondary character is not as fleshed out as a protagonist, that Peter made a mistake by putting too much trust into people, that Harry's butler was not aware that Harry was going to get revenge on Peter and finally, that one of the superficial death scenes does not involve a zombie rising from the dead or an intricate subplot of its own.

3. In Spider-Man 2, Alfred Molina was just channeling Willem Dafoe but wasn't genuine craziness. Plus Doc Ock has a sudden turnaround at the end of the film and the way he stops the sun thing is just ridiculous.

And the Lizard didn't have a stupid and pathetic turnaround in TASM? He saves Peter from death for fuck sake. I'm not even a fan and I can remember that moment after ONE viewing. If you find the film half decent, you would have realized that you're criticizing something that also happens in YOUR preferred version.

Never said that The Amazing Spider-Man was one of the greatest movies of all time. It's good, but not great. Spider-Man has a lot more potential, and this reboot is leading up to it. While The Amazing Spider-Man wasn't a perfect movie, it was definitely superior to the Raimi films. Not just because it was more faithful to the comic books, but it was just an overall better made film. The acting was better, the script was better, it was more logical; Like Spider-Man was actually holding on to something this time while swinging, and Gwen wasn't just some whiny damsel in distress just waiting to be saved. She was intelligent, likeable, and had a very good chemistry with Peter.

I like the film because it balances both of being a good film in general and a very faithful comic book movie.

JayMoore wrote:

3. In Spider-Man 2, Alfred Molina was just channeling Willem Dafoe but wasn't genuine craziness. Plus Doc Ock has a sudden turnaround at the end of the film and the way he stops the sun thing is just ridiculous.

And the Lizard didn't have a stupid and pathetic turnaround in TASM? He saves Peter from death for fuck sake. I'm not even a fan and I can remember that moment after ONE viewing. If you find the film half decent, you would have realized that you're criticizing something that also happens in YOUR preferred version.

His turnaround in The Amazing Spider-Man had some build-up to it. Doc Ock became crazy much earlier so his character hardly developed at all.

TheCinemaJack wrote:

JayMoore wrote:

3. In Spider-Man 2, Alfred Molina was just channeling Willem Dafoe but wasn't genuine craziness. Plus Doc Ock has a sudden turnaround at the end of the film and the way he stops the sun thing is just ridiculous.

And the Lizard didn't have a stupid and pathetic turnaround in TASM? He saves Peter from death for fuck sake. I'm not even a fan and I can remember that moment after ONE viewing. If you find the film half decent, you would have realized that you're criticizing something that also happens in YOUR preferred version.

His turnaround in The Amazing Spider-Man had some build-up to it. Doc Ock became crazy much earlier so his character hardly developed at all.

Could you please be specific when you tell me how it worked so well in TASM? What was so riveting about Lizards turnaround apart from the copious amounts of apparent "development" that Connors had over Doc Ock. The Lizard turnaround scene was cliche, expected and unbelievably bland. As silly as the scene in Spider-Man 2 was, it at least had a heightened visual flare and most of all..... you, Jack, REMEMBERED it.

JayMoore wrote:

TheCinemaJack wrote:

JayMoore wrote:

3. In Spider-Man 2, Alfred Molina was just channeling Willem Dafoe but wasn't genuine craziness. Plus Doc Ock has a sudden turnaround at the end of the film and the way he stops the sun thing is just ridiculous.

And the Lizard didn't have a stupid and pathetic turnaround in TASM? He saves Peter from death for fuck sake. I'm not even a fan and I can remember that moment after ONE viewing. If you find the film half decent, you would have realized that you're criticizing something that also happens in YOUR preferred version.

His turnaround in The Amazing Spider-Man had some build-up to it. Doc Ock became crazy much earlier so his character hardly developed at all.

Could you please be specific when you tell me how it worked so well in TASM? What was so riveting about Lizards turnaround apart from the copious amounts of apparent "development" that Connors had over Doc Ock. The Lizard turnaround scene was cliche, expected and unbelievably bland. As silly as the scene in Spider-Man 2 was, it at least had a heightened visual flare and most of all..... you, Jack, REMEMBERED it.

Well, he got a lot of screen time in the beginning as somewhat of Peter's mentor. In Spider-Man 2, Doc Ock pretty much becomes Doc Ock from the very start of the film. So you can at least see some display of humanity in Lizard before he became a villain. It was cliché and expected, but at least it was somewhat believable. I remembered Lizard saving Peter, bro. I watched the movie again a few days ago. And I remembered the climax of Spider-Man 2 as well because it was a stupid way to cop out of a big problem. Being memorable does not make something good. After all, I still remember 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina.

Garfield cries 3 times in that one film and gets teary eyed or very emotional another 2 or 3 times.

The villains use MJ to get to Peter. Like in Spider-Man when Goblin says "first we attack his heart". Sure they go for May in that occasion but MJ is the closest and more important thing to him. And yeah she's helpless for the most part but she's an actress.... not a superhero. Sure she's just a damsel in distress but that's a conscious decision by Raimi. It doesn't make you care about her less because the chemistry and connection is still there. If anything it adds to the intensity of the film because she is more fragile and helpless, so there's more of a responsibility for Peter. And the Spidey-suit is a burden.


Well can you specify what made you think Molina was trying "too hard"? What didn't feel authentic to you?


Emotional resonance? Ben in ASM is an annoying, abrasive character. He's also pretty damn bland and his "with great power comes great responsibility" quote was HORRIBLE. You don't give two shits whether he lives or dies, and the way it's done makes you not care anyway. You forget he's even in the film by the end.


[quote=Jack]Still fucking stupid.
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lol


Anyway, I forgot Spidey told Doc Oc, but wasn't that a spur of the moment thing? Must have not been thinking. It's a matter of cause-and-effect. I wouldn't call that a flaw at all. In films, characters make mistakes and end up suffering the consequences. You can't expect Peter to be a perfect character without flaws and mistakes.
And I believe he said it to Doc Octavius when he was still friendly, right? When he looked up to him and respected him.

The Butler knew Norman best, probably better than Harry because he saw things Harry did not. Remember what Norman said at the end of Spider-man 1. "Don't tell Harry". The butler was not there to witness this but it's safe to assume that he knew Norman wouldn't want Harry to know this, and wanted to honor Norman, and so did not intervene until it was really crucial.


Oh dear lord. I'd forget the drop the ring in the fire plot even though the entire trilogy is their journey to do exactly that! Every time Frodo touches the ring or puts it on or a character mentions it or the word Mordor or Sauron is mentioned you are aware that this is what they are doing. Whereas Uncle Ben dies, Spiderman looks for killer then by end of film if you even remember the death you're like.... did he catch the killer in the end or not? Because it is not made clear that he abandoned his mission. Same with the untold story and asian guy and stuff like that.

Once again, Tobey Maguire cries way more than Andrew Garfield does in Spider-Man 3. That's a fact. At least Andrew Garfield had GOOD reasons to cry. Feeling frustrated when Ben mentions his parents, Ben getting murdered, Captain Stacy also murdered.

Where as in Spider-Man 3, Tobey Maguire cries when he finds out who really murdered Ben, cries when MJ dumps him, cries in his apartment, (don't know why?), and cries when Harry dies.

BTW, Andrew Garfield is a better actor.

Also don't try to justify MJ by basically saying, yeah, she's a damsel in distress, but that's okay because that's how Sam Raimi wanted. It's already bad enough that Kirsten Dunst sucked as MJ. Gwen Stacy was just a better written character than Raimi's MJ.

Both films have their good and bad points, i personally like spiderman 1 the best, because william dafoe IS NORMAN OSBORN. However maguire is not peter parker, garfield and stone were the perfect emma and parker, and this is coming from a hardcore comic nerd. However the story and villain in amaing felt really lackluster and the origin was way to long and boring. And the lizard sucks s the main antagonist, he would be better if dr connors was actually a likeable character you get to know before he goes all lizardy, like in the 90s cartoon or the comics.


sorry for the spelling errors

Yeah, Tobey Maguire sucked as Peter Parker. He was always out of character. Like how in Spider-Man 2, he just walked away while someone was getting mugged. The REAL Peter Parker would have tired to save him anyway, even if his powers were gone. Now I know movies can't be 100% accurate to the comics, but come on. We can all agree that Peter should have at least done something.

Mecha wrote:

Yeah, Tobey Maguire sucked as Peter Parker. He was always out of character. Like how in Spider-Man 2, he just walked away while someone was getting mugged. The REAL Peter Parker would have saved him anyway, even if his powers were gone. Now I know movies can't be 100 accurate to the comics, but come on. We can all agree that Peter should have at least tired to save the victim.

They also completely removed his wittyness. Regardless WILLIAM DAFOE WAS THE GREATEST GREEN GOBLIN!!! I was hoping that we would get an actual main villain in amazing spiderman rather than lizard...

I hope we get someone like osborn, hobgoblin, shocker morbius in amazing spiderman 2. Man morbius would be so cool, show twilight fans a real vampire!!!

Yeah, you know you have a problem when Iron Man is making more wise-cracks than Spider-Man.

Oh, and Electro is going to be the villain in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Osborn might appear as well. Too bad he isn't in Iron Man 3 though. :Okay:

Mecha wrote:

Yeah, you know you have a problem when Iron Man is making more wise-cracks than Spider-Man.

Oh, and Electro is going to be the villain in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Osborn might appear as well. Too bad he isn't in Iron Man 3 though. :Okay:

Man i'd love to see Osborn take the Iron Patriot armour from stark and make his life hell, one of my fav moments in comics was when osborn beat tony stark into a coma and giving him brain damage (come on he deserved it after civil war and killing goliath!)

Why is cyclops banned?

Stoney wrote:

Why is cyclops banned?

He was Tahmidick

For fucks sakes. He was contributing. This place is dying as it is. LET HIM BACK YOU GAY MODS

I agree with Lykos.

tahmdick didn't even troll. He actually got involved into a lot of these discussions more than anyone in this forum.

I'm also surprised by his knowledge of comic books. He sure wasn't kidding when he said he reads a lot of it.

Mecha wrote:

I agree with Lykos.

tahmdick didn't even troll. He actually got involved into a lot of these discussions more than anyone in this forum.

I'm also surprised by his knowledge of comic books. He sure wasn't kidding when he said he reads a lot of it.

Exactly. Plus he's a funny guy and hasn't done anything wrong this time. And with so many mods with little to do I think we could benefit from taking a few risks with new members.

I agree with Lykos and Mecha. I also think he should be unbanned, despite it being completely off-topic and has nothing to do with the thread nor discussion at hand. :derp:

^Doesn't that make you a faggot as well?

Can someone lock this thread already?