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RAP
WHY IT SUCKS

If you disagree with any of the following, tell me and I will go through each one

GENERIC
DERIVATIVE
REPETITIVE
BASIC
SIMPLISTIC
DISTASTEFUL
CHILDISH
EMOTIONLESS

Emotionless?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQvteoFiMlg&feature=relmfu

Repetitive?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw

Distasteful?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNTu8jdukA

Generic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ

Childish?

Above.

The rest are really retarded reasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oVcEL-agZw&feature=related

Generic
Derivative / Distasteful
Childish / Emotionless

I won't argue with it being basic and sometimes simplistic, but that doesn't automatically make it bad. It's still a great genre that focuses more on clever lyrics. For example, Eminem may be childish and distasteful, but his early work is clever and humorous.

This owns everything you just said.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Eminem/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

Sonji, you can lock the thread. I think we've won here. 8)

You can't argue it so you post links. Even worse, you post links that prove my points.

Bro,

Emotionless song was emotionless due to it's REPETITIVE, grinding nature. It's basic piano part, you probably think it's emotional because it's got piano (or coz he jumpz off teh buildin) lol. Looks like you have never listened to Chopin. Listen to his Opus 55 in Fminor. And as we are talking about rap vs metal, listen to Silhouette by Opeth. By the way the piano part was simple fifth chords and such divided up. xD I've seen children do that. I don't get emotional from hearing someone play grade 1 piano.

Repetitive song was same from 0:00-1:50 lol they just layered a few sound effects on top. Fail right there. But can't blame the guy, every rap "artist" gets away with it so why can't he? As long as people with shallow music taste keep supporting them they have no initiative to ever get decent.

Distasteful song was distasteful: "robbin some folks n makin da dash" "punched him in da belly n gave him a slap". Alongside that it sounded like nearly every other rap song.

Generic... not available in my country. But the above songs were all pretty generic.

Sonji wrote:

This owns everything you just said.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Eminem/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

Address not found but judging by the way you were convinced the other songs owned me, I'm guessing it doesn't.

TRF wrote:

Sonji, you can lock the thread. I think we've won here. 8)

Fail lol

Lykos wrote:

You can't argue it so you post links. Even worse, you post links that prove my points.

Bro,

Emotionless song was emotionless due to it's REPETITIVE, grinding nature. It's basic piano part, you probably think it's emotional because it's got piano (or coz he jumpz off teh buildin) lol. Looks like you have never listened to Chopin. Listen to his Opus 55 in Fminor. And as we are talking about rap vs metal, listen to Silhouette by Opeth.

Repetitive song was same from 0:00-1:50 lol they just layered a few sound effects on top. Fail right there. But can't blame the guy, every rap "artist" gets away with it so why can't he? As long as people with shallow music taste keep supporting them they have no initiative to ever get decent.

Distasteful song was distasteful: "robbin some folks n makin da dash" "punched him in da belly n gave him a slap". Alongside that it sounded like nearly every other rap song.

Generic... not available in my country. But the above songs were all pretty generic.

ROFL. Emotionless? You're shitting me, right? The entire song is about all the shit he went through

AND OMG I KNOW YOU DID NOT JUST HATE ON SLICK RICK. GTFO MY FORUM.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Eminem/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

No one here is trying to say that hip-hop beats out metal, Lykos. We're just trying to prove that it's a legitimate and a good genre.

So because it's repetitive, it's emotionless? I don't follow the logic, then again, the logic is flawed.

Generic is a lousy term to use because it's all based on opinion. Personally I think your precious In Flames sounds generic as hell and is just plain boring to listen to.

Sonji wrote:

Lykos wrote:

You can't argue it so you post links. Even worse, you post links that prove my points.

Bro,

Emotionless song was emotionless due to it's REPETITIVE, grinding nature. It's basic piano part, you probably think it's emotional because it's got piano (or coz he jumpz off teh buildin) lol. Looks like you have never listened to Chopin. Listen to his Opus 55 in Fminor. And as we are talking about rap vs metal, listen to Silhouette by Opeth.

Repetitive song was same from 0:00-1:50 lol they just layered a few sound effects on top. Fail right there. But can't blame the guy, every rap "artist" gets away with it so why can't he? As long as people with shallow music taste keep supporting them they have no initiative to ever get decent.

Distasteful song was distasteful: "robbin some folks n makin da dash" "punched him in da belly n gave him a slap". Alongside that it sounded like nearly every other rap song.

Generic... not available in my country. But the above songs were all pretty generic.

ROFL. Emotionless? You're shitting me, right? The entire song is about all the shit he went through

AND OMG I KNOW YOU DID NOT JUST HATE ON SLICK RICK. GTFO MY FORUM.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Eminem/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

Lyrics =\= music. I thought this was a music discussion, not an english discussion. And anyone can talk about shit they've gone through, it doesn't make it more emotional music-wise.

Also address still not found. tell me the song name.

BRB having a shower. give you some time to think out your argument before you make some more mistakes

https://www.youtube.com/user/EminemVEVO#p/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

^^ SOZ. Don't hate on the fucking beat or shit. That's not what rap is about. You have to judge it based on what it's about. If you don't, it's like hating Gran Turismo for not having enough RPG elements.

Sonji wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/user/EminemVEVO#p/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

^^ SOZ. Don't hate on the fucking beat or shit. That's not what rap is about. You have to judge it based on what it's about. If you don't, it's like hating Gran Turismo for not having enough RPG elements.

But it is music. Music has certain requirements. But okay I'll base it upon rap is about. Beats, vocals, lyrics.

BBL

Lykos wrote:

Sonji wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/user/EminemVEVO#p/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

^^ SOZ. Don't hate on the fucking beat or shit. That's not what rap is about. You have to judge it based on what it's about. If you don't, it's like hating Gran Turismo for not having enough RPG elements.

But it is music. Music has certain requirements. But okay I'll base it upon rap is about. Beats, vocals, lyrics.

BBL

Beats, vocals, lyrics.

Sonji wrote:

Emotionless?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQvteoFiMlg&feature=relmfu

Repetitive?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw

Distasteful?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNTu8jdukA

Generic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ

Childish?

Above.

The rest are really retarded reasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oVcEL-agZw&feature=related

lolololol, that song has no where near the same effect without the music video.

You argue repetitive by posting a repetitive song? The beat is 2 seconds long and repeats itself for 3 minutes...

I'm not quite sure what Lykos means by distasteful but it still wasn't very good.

Funny because the generic stuff is still better than that lol, although it wasn't childish, the rest were.

That song was pretty decent, pretty rare in the rap genre

I could post Iron Maiden and you literally have nothing you could say bad about it.

May not be as good as Iron Maiden, but still better than anything a rapper could make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVQaixvlMwo
Ignore Evangelion

^^

I love old metal. New metal (Lykos Metal is what I'll call it) is what's shit. His Metal Elitist attitude makes it even worse.

Sonji wrote:

Lykos wrote:

Sonji wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/user/EminemVEVO#p/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

^^ SOZ. Don't hate on the fucking beat or shit. That's not what rap is about. You have to judge it based on what it's about. If you don't, it's like hating Gran Turismo for not having enough RPG elements.

But it is music. Music has certain requirements. But okay I'll base it upon rap is about. Beats, vocals, lyrics.

BBL

Beats, vocals, lyrics.

Hmm? Music and Vocals aren't important in Rap? lolololololol self ownage right there.

Rap sucks as a genre because the music is no good. You could listen to Metal, electric, techno, rock, jazz, pretty much every other genre and even without any singing it's still good. Rap can't and the only redeeming factor is pretty bad. With many rap songs you flat out can't understand the lyrics or it's just about drugs and fucking hoes while they're dropping niggah every 10 seconds for good measure. I admit some rap songs are pretty good, but "some" does not redeem the whole genre when the remaining 90% is trash.

^^

What? Vocals aren't important to rap at all. Your voice can be complete shit but you can still be a good rapper.

Sonji wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/user/EminemVEVO#p/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

^^ SOZ. Don't hate on the fucking beat or shit. That's not what rap is about. You have to judge it based on what it's about. If you don't, it's like hating Gran Turismo for not having enough RPG elements.

LOL YOU ARE MAKING THIS TOO EASY

Sonji wrote:

^^

I love old metal. New metal (Lykos Metal is what I'll call it) is what's shit. His Metal Elitist attitude makes it even worse.

I prefer the modern metal that they have in games. Since the decline of Metal being mainstream there have been less and less good bands. Video game OST have really good metal though.

ie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1brFfsSneg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CNXKTuF8g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb3sBJgZVJ0

Sonji wrote:

^^

What? Vocals aren't important to rap at all. Your voice can be complete shit but you can still be a good rapper.

Yeah that's exactly the thing, even if the lyrics are good it means nothing if his voice sounds like shit. Take Tone Loc for example, the lyrics were awful but he had a really good singing voice so even then his music was good. The beat didn't repeat itself over and over so that helped too.

Lykos wrote:

Sonji wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/user/EminemVEVO#p/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

^^ SOZ. Don't hate on the fucking beat or shit. That's not what rap is about. You have to judge it based on what it's about. If you don't, it's like hating Gran Turismo for not having enough RPG elements.

LOL YOU ARE MAKING THIS TOO EASY

What? Em used the sample of the song? Is that a problem? Does that offend you?

Sonji wrote:

^^

I love old metal. New metal (Lykos Metal is what I'll call it) is what's shit. His Metal Elitist attitude makes it even worse.

Metal isn't just black and white bro.

I listen to what appeals to me. What I look for is at least several of these combined:

Power, Emotion, Technicality, Originality, Progression, Beauty, Good Vibes/Atmosphere, Passion and good melodies.

EDIT: I don't like most old metal. It was just a slight evolution of rock, also not a very impressive genre. I primarily like scandanavian metal of the 90's which was the true evolution of metal. I am talking about melodic death metal. With influences from classical it brought about a whole new wave of sophisticated music.

I treat music as a primary source of entertainment. I want to be impressed. I want to be blown away. I want the musicians to write something unlike music I've never heard before.

Now let's analyse rap

BEATS
Funny because metal has some of the greatest drummers ever
I'm not a Gojira fan but wow.
Also why is it all rap stays in a simple timing like 4/4 all the way through the song? Progressive bands have constant timing shifts.

VOCALS
Rap relies solely on it so how come the vocalists are generally weak and talentless? I mean, Mike Patton from Faith No More could rap and do it well but only did it a bit
So can red hot chillis
But more importantly, metal singers have insane vocal ranges. like Myles Kennedy from Alter Bridge with 4 octaves vocal range.

LYRICS
haha this makes me lol. Most rap fan's view of good lyrics is the typical gangsta slang and very face-value-is-right simplistic. I may be wrong, there may be a few rappers out there with decent lyrics but so far none I've seen have been even slightly decent.
Then there's insomnium who have the most vivid, heartfelt lyrics

Quote :

Trail amidst the snow-clad trees, winding is the way
Sunless is the path we roam, bitter is the air we breathe
Fell is the icy blast, coming from the hills
Blowing through my ailing heart, wailing in the emptiness inside

Vanished is the light we had, hidden deep in rimy soil
Bereft of us the one we cherished, lost for ever our love

Still at night I see her figure
Flickering on moonlit glades
But passing is the hope she_s giving
Just a faintest breath of air and she_s gone again

The clouds are moving heavily, across the livid sky
Yonder the hues are darkening, slowly turning grey to black
For the two who stray in dusk, all hope is long since gone
Cruel is the winter_s reign, merciless the grasp of despair

For what mirth there is left in life for a motherless son
What solace in this world for a widower to find

Slender the shape in night, unbearable the beauty
Shining in the silvery light, watching me with wistful eyes
Evanescent this vision, unattainable this illusion
But an image in my troubled dreams, hewn out of yearning and rue

and what's amazing is english isn't their first language LMAO they do lyrics better than American songwriters hahaha

Sonji wrote:

Lykos wrote:

Sonji wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/user/EminemVEVO#p/u/17/D4hAVemuQXY

^^ SOZ. Don't hate on the fucking beat or shit. That's not what rap is about. You have to judge it based on what it's about. If you don't, it's like hating Gran Turismo for not having enough RPG elements.

LOL YOU ARE MAKING THIS TOO EASY

What? Em used the sample of the song? Is that a problem? Does that offend you?

I thought your point was that rap artists can be good but all he did was cover that song and add in a few extra parts. See, eminem is pretty much musically devoid of talent. Sorry to say it but it is true. He is a good rapper but rap is the weakest form of musical expression.

And if you're going to cover a song, at least do a decent one... like Vivaldi's Four Seasons (this is Summer in the video. beautiful..)

Wow, because brooding lyrics are soooooooooooo awesome. You know, poetry doesn't need to be fancypants like the lyrics you posted.